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Originally Posted by maleficent
Until men can actually get pregnant and give birth, or even have a more goof proof birth control than condoms, there will never be equality.
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The ability to actually bake the child inside your body has nothing to do with equality of responsibility. Just because it's growing inside you, does not absolve YOU of YOUR
HALF of the responsibility.
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Originally Posted by maleficent
This goes further than than the rights of either gender, what about the child that results. It's not fair to a child of an accidental pregnancy to not be supported just because the father wanted to absolve himself of his paternal rights. If he didn't want kids, he should have been responsible and had a vasectomy.
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The unwanted child is JUST AS MUCH HER FAULT AS HIS. Just as a man can put on a condom, so can a
responsible woman ask that a condom be put on. If you're so adult and mature, there's zero issue with asking a condom be used. Again- unless it's
rape, the woman is just as at fault for the penis being in there as the man is.
As far as having a vasectomy goes: Vasectomies are less than 5% reversible. Most all doctors will stress to you to not plan on it being able to be reversed at all, so don't sit there talking like men can unload and reload the pistol any 'ole time they want to, as many of you are. Also, I honestly find the suggestion that a man should be "responsible and have a vasectomy" to be utterly ludicrous. I don't drag out a tank or a flamethrower every time there's a fly on the wall, like you're proposing. That's just horridly overkill of an idea. If a pregnancy happens, they were both being careless, or some crazy shit happened- in either event, fault is the same on both parties.
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Originally Posted by maleficent
-by absolving yourself of responsibility from the get go, you might miss out on something pretty great in your life...
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A. I'm not picking on you.
2. This isn't Tilted Parenting. We're talking about people who don't want kids.
D. "Sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I wouldn't know, because i'll never eat the filthy motherfucker." - Jules, Pulp Fiction. People don't want what they don't want, and I find the constant assertion of parents that having a child is blah blah blah wonderful to be inappropriate and disrespectful. Just as uncalled for as hearing a person preach a religion you don't want to hear about, or if someone was trying to sell you on the idea of taking it in the ass when you had no intention of going there. It's crass.
Matter of fact, next person to preach kids to me will get preached on anal. That should be interesting. The arguments are all the same. "You just don't know, because you haven't had the joy yet," and "if you're ever in a spot to experience it, it will change your world." It's a feeling you can't describe... and when it finally comes out... you're speechless.