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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
The mother is the sole person who has the right to make a decision on abortion. It is not correct for the potential father to either force an abortion on a woman who doesnt want one, or attempt to deny an abortion to a woman who does want one.
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It seems that it needs to be said again: no one is proposing that men can force or forcefully prevent an abortion.
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After the child is born, I would also agree that - as the natural relationship is between mother and child - the mother should have a automatic right to custody - unless unfit to care for the child. This is not about placing people in abusive situations, but if there are two fit parents, the mother always takes priority, because she is better able to care for the child than a man.
The male should provide some level of financial support for the child. and also should be entitled to some level of supervised time with the child. At the point where the child is able to make an informed decision, then they may decide if they want custody to be changed to the father.
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Analog is right. Perhaps you don't realize this, but your statements here are incredibly sexist. "The natural relationship is between mother and child?" Seriously. Perhaps you've missed the ungodly amount of studies done showing the importance of BOTH parents in a child's development? Not to mention, the mother is better able to care for the child and the father has a financial responsibility? I thought most people arguing for women's rights were trying to get AWAY from this sexist and terribly wrong 1950's Donna Reed stereotype. Just like women are just as capable of handling finances as a man, men are just as capable of being loving, caring human beings.
Some of the posts in this thread - no offense - just baffle me. The men should take responsibility for their actions? They had sex and knew a child could come of it, so they should be responsible and face the consequences? How, exactly, does the female's role not apply to this argument as well? It would be great if abortion weren't used as birth control and if people only had sex when capable of facing the potential consequences, but it's just not the case. Yet, while women can "opt out" of responsibility, men cannot. This is not equal responsibility. Responsibility is 50/50 - both people willingly had sex, knowing of the possibilities of pregnancy. The current arrangement is not only sexist against males (which I think has been sufficiently pointed out here), but it is also sexist against females. Under this logic, sex is something that happens TO females and they simply choose whether or not they want to live with the consequences. The male has "responsibilities" for the pregnancy. The woman? Oh, well the male "got her pregnant," so she can choose to not have the child if she so wishes. She's not a person in control of her actions, she is a person to whom things happen. She needs the protection of choice because she is less capable of taking responsibility for her actions than a man is. This view is terribly lacking in dignity to BOTH people.
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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
Im pretty sure it takes a man, who is fully aware of what he is doing, to make a baby too
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Case in point. The man, because he is fully aware of what he is doing, must "take responsibility for his actions." The woman, on the other hand, despite having the same ability as the man to choose to have sex, is somehow apparently not capable of being as "fully aware" as a man, because she still needs to be protected from being responsible for her actions.
Either women are morons and incapable of making intelligent decisions, or the situation needs to change. Personally, I think women are just as intelligent as men.