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Originally Posted by KinkyKiwi
i've said it before and i'll say it again. if a man hits a woman without a true reason he deserves to have his head mashed in. and please don't assume that i havent met or been friends with other abused women. i was in several severely abusive relationships when i was younger and thankfully i got out of the habit of picking men like that when i was 14. men defending women from other men with violence is totally okay in my book as is it in many older more experienced women that i know. my best friends are guys and while they never get into fights on their own will step in on ANY womans behalf if they see her getting mistreated. they have never hit women and i highly doubt they ever will since most of them say that they would rather be beaten up then hit a girl.
if i misunderstood sixate then i apologize to him
i highly doubt that the 2 people who i complemented for their actions are wife beaters and yes i do consider that sort of behavior to be just.
this is what my friend mike said on teh subject (reading over my shoulder) -"i'm sorry but i think of women as these amazing, inteligent, beautiful, talented creatures. i came from a woman and simply because she spent 22 hours in labor with me i have a certain life long devotion to women. i admire what they can do...i love how soft and delicate they are. i would defend any woman with my life. i love holding my gf in my arms and that feeling of never letting anyone or anything hurt her. shes soft and sweet and even when we fight i still respect her body and her beauty and i could never taint that. oneday i know that she will carry my babies and i know what an amazing mother she will be. i'm going to treat my children to love and admire women as much as i do. my father is the same way. my grandpa is the same way. you should never hurt a woman..its like hurting a part of yourself."
thats how i was taught good men thought and acted
(and omg i need to clone that boy!)
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kinkykiwi, you're a trip.
I don't see how Mike would agree with seaver's position over mine.
I never said a woman deserves to be slapped whereas seaver said he would "allow" it in the right circumstances. then he clarified that by stating a slap is in the force--not the execution. bravo.
I didn't make any assumptions about you. I just said to ask other people who have more experience with violent people and abusive relationships.
There are ways to ensure women aren't being hurt, a concept I share with Mike. which I actually agree with. I think that beating people with maglights is not fine, but that's an extra level I don't expect everyone to agree with.
before you advocate mashing people's head in, or mike wants to step up and brulize someone, you both would do well to ponder the unintended condequences of those actions: when the 6' 6 man got home, hopefully he didn't abuse the girl again because she "caused" his being mashed by irishsean.
I didn't say that anyone here is a wife beater. What I said was that people who believe violence is fine for reasons they construct in their head will inadvertadely run into a point in their lives where they will resort to violence despite the rules they make.
seaver said as much, it hinges on the force of the "slap" and whether the woman "deserves" it.
But I've got a feeling that many of the people in this thread have reached an impasse.
I'll sum up what I believe for anyone who comes across my post:
Beating up friends isn't about friendship, it seems like behavior intended to prove to each other and oneself the importance of protecting women.
Protecting someone who can't protect him or herself from an aggressor is admirable behavior.
taking it to a different level to prove one's toughness or masculinity isn't.
Abusers link masculinity to violence.
Proving points with violence isn't going to lead to positive results.