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Originally Posted by smooth
guthmund, if you really think that a larger, stronger man, who "rams his fist into" his girlfriends face, or eyesocket, isn't going to result in something more noticeable than a "little bit of a black eye," then you haven't been in very many fights.
If I slap my wife in her face, she's going to have a black eye.
If I punched her in the head in anger, she would probably need to see a doctor.
It isn't presumption on my part at all to say if all those conditions are true, then more damage would have been apparent. I've been in enough fights to know the damage a full grown man's fist can inflict on another person's face--regardless the victim's gender.
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No, I haven't been in too many fights. Plenty of opportunities, I guess, it's just that hardly any of them ever escalated far enough to warrant me getting physical. (But hey, kudos for indirectly calling my manhood into question.
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Sure it's presumption. You presume, I presume, we all presume, because we aren't intimately related with the subjects of our discussion. You don't know either one, so, you presume that because he's a man and you're a man, you guys are on equal footing. You know that when you throw a punch, it's going to do some damage. How do you know that about the 'boyfriend?' Maybe he can't throw a punch. Maybe there's no power behind the punch. There was alcohol involved, I'm sure that affected his motor skills.
Not to mention all the variables on the other side of the fight. I mean, some people can take an awful lot of punishment, especially when alcohol is involved, which it was. Some people bruise easier than others. Sometimes a last minute flinch prevents damage, sometimes it enhances it, all depending on where the blow actually fell. All these factors, and countless others, mind you, can make an injury look much less or much worse than it actually is.
But that doesn't even matter, in my opinion. To me, this isn't about men hitting women, it's the strong picking on the weak. He's presumably the stronger of the two. Instead of walking away, simply fending her off, or even trying to restrain her in some manner, he punched her. He wasn't defending himself from bodily harm, he was retaliating in kind. She was wrong too, but in that situation, I believe he should have just walked away.