sorry, missed these posts.
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Originally Posted by Seaver
Because having a level playing field is SOOOO against what MLK's words warned against "I dream of a day when my children and grandchildren will be judged not on the color of their skin but on the content of their character..." God forbid people are just that, judged on the content of their character, that's discrimination!
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the problem is is that without these laws, people will be judged based on the color of thier skin instead of the content of their character. do you really think that a black kid from detroit is gonna be judged the same as a white kid from oakland county? no, they won't. they live within 20 miles of each other, but their lives are going to be completely different, might as well be different countries. if the only way to give the black kid the same opportunites in education is give them a boost when applying for college, that's fine with me. because when he gets an education and hopefully passes on the importance of that education to his kids, and so on, one day AA won't be necessary. but right now, taht isn't the case.
now, EOE laws i'm torn on. i don't think any kind of quota's are right (which i do understand exist, if not as an unspoken rule, at least for govt. jobs). but hiring should be purely on merit. and if minorities are getting the same educational opportunites as white people, when it comes time for a job, having a law that says you have to base yoru hiring on merit and not color (ie. can't discriminate) puts the minorities on a level playing field with whites.
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Originally Posted by liquidlight
I've got no objections to a level playing field, but what the hell happened to EQUAL rights? Just because I'm white doesn't mean that I didn't have my own hurdles and problems to overcome, including poverty, an abusive father, and so on. Affirmative Action is a very noble idea, however considering that by it's very premise it encourages the type of discrimination that it was supposed to elminate. AA and EOE would be wonderful IF they worked, but for every person that legitimately uses there capabilities there are several others that use the loopholes in the system to obtain rights and privledges that they don't deserve.
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i personally think socio-economic status should be included in AA, possibly even take priority over race and gender. if you had those obsticles, than you happen to be someone who does get screwed by the system, and you have my sympathy. minorities in your same situation are getting an advantage over you, and that sucks, but unfortunatly, i think the benefit that AA has on for society is more important than the fewthat it doesn't benefit but are in a similar situation to many of those it does.