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Originally Posted by shakran
You say this, and your next sentence is your opinion of what homosexuality is, with NO evidence to back it up, NO scientific data in your corner and absolutely NO basis in logic.
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Again, the burden of proof isn't on me. YOu want proof? Look at any of the people who live a perfectly heterosexual life, then sometime down the road suddenly decide "yup, I'm gay". Take the former New Jersey Governor for one.
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You seem to have a burning need to press your morality on everyone else. What the hell do you care if the leather is "controlled?" How do you control leather anyway? By the same token, who the hell are you to say that homosexuals should change, even assuming they could? Even if it IS their choice, what business is it of yours? Have you forgotten that this country is supposed to be about freedom of choice? Or do you interpret that concept as "freedom of choice as long as I like all your choices."
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Where did I say that they should change? That's YOU putting your ideas on me. There's no basis for what you said. And I hoped you checked for polyps while you were pulling "this country is about freedom of choice" out off your ass. That's the first i've heard of that.
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But the homosexuals aren't running around trying to convert the heterosexuals. It's the ignorant heterosexual bigots who are busy trying to convert the homosexuals. That places the burden on the bigots to prove that 1) homosexuality is a choice, 2) it's a bad choice and 3) it's a choice that homosexuals should not be allowed to make.
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I've already said I don't care if people want to be gay. It has very little bearing on my life. What I do oppose is calling people bigots who might disapprove of someone else's actions. It's ridiculous to think that people shouldn't be judged by their actions. And every time the term bigot is used in that way, it lessens it's value for the TRUE bigots.
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If you want evidence, look at all the gay animals running around. They've found chimps, orangutans, even penguins, who have homosexual partnerships. Hell San Fran's Central Park Zoo is having a hell of a time right now because all their male penguins are gay, and won't mate with the females, which means the zoo's penguin population is not self sustaining.
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I guess if animals do it, it's ok? So the next time some mother kills her kid, we can give her a pass too.
And I haven't heard of animals having homosexual partnerships at all. Usualy animals only form partnerships while rearing kids, which it's biologically impossible for homosexual couples to produce.
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But really, you shouldn't need evidence. Even if it is their choice, it has no effect on your life. They aren't going to turn you gay. They aren't going to take over the world. They aren't going to rape your children. They aren't going to harm you in any way, yet you still persist on persecuting them.
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Where's all the persecution? It seems the only persecution is people like you persecuting others for holding beliefs that don't fit into how you thing things should be.
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The argument that homosexuality is a conscious choice is asinine. In the first place, there's no evidence that there is. In the second place, there are plenty of homosexuals who say "that's just the way I am, I didn't choose to be gay." Are you calling all homosexuals liars?
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Have you conducted some poll? You seem to speak with quite a certainty about how all gays feel. Maybe you should publish your results and put the debate to rest. Unless the "plenty" is just a couple you know. Cause that isn't quite a representative sample. And as for calling all homosexuals liars because of how you say some feel, I don't know if that is more humorous or sad. I'm leaning toward humorous, becasue it gave me quite a laugh.
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Thirdly, it would be a pretty stupid choice wouldn't it? Why would someone make the conscious choice to be ostracized, persecuted, and harassed by people like you, who can't tolerate anyone that's too different from themselves? Sure, maybe there would be a few nuts out there that would, but why would so many of them make the choice? It simply doesn't make sense.
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I've already said why people might want to gain instant access to minority status that they can turn off at will. Look in the "Paul Martin on Gay Rights" thread.
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This is the kind of ignorance that prevents our society from growing.
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It's shameful that you feel it's ignorant for other people to be judged by their actions. It's that kind of misguided thinking that diverts people's attention away from society's true ills.