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Tophat665 · 03-15-2005, 07:57 PM

NCB,
BSA is fundamentally a Christian organization. Leaving aside the homophobia, they are one of the really good ones. But, being a Christian organization, they are a religious organization. Separation of Church and state can be an issue here if they prosthyletze. Aside from being discriminatory, and despite any BS protestations, their stand on homosexuality is a religious one. By inculcating that in their members, who, in theory, are below the age of consent and, therefore, cannot have a legally informed opinion, prosthyletization is exactly what they are doing.

Unfortunately, this gets into murky water. No one gives a good goddamn if they teach kids to be upstanding citizens because it's the Christian thing to do. Render unto Ceasar and all. No one cares that they teach kids teamwork because it's the Christian thing to do (it is). No one cares that they teach kids self reliance because it's the Christian thing to do (it's not). No one cares that they're teach kid to be "Helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, thrifty, brave, clean" and, from my days in scouts, even "reverent" was couched in a sort of an AA kind of a way - doesn't matter what you believe so long as you believe in somthing greater than yourself - so not necessarily a problem there. Sure, they're teaching those values for Christian reasons, but they are values that amount to what good parenting results in anyway.

Teaching kids to hate, though, that people care about. Even those who agree with their bigotry in the particular ought to take a step back and replace "Gay" with "Left Handed" or "Black" or "Red Haired" to pick some other biologically determined factors, and see that they would care about it in that case. (Judas was a redhead!)

So, in addition to equal protection problems, there are separation of church and state problems.

Homosexual oriented groups at schools have neither of those problems.

If you're ticked off that your tax dollar is going to fund them, pay me back my money that was used in invading Iraq and then you will have a leg to stand on.

03-15-2005, 07:57 PM	#13 (permalink)
Tophat665 Minion of the scaléd ones Location: Northeast Jesusland	NCB, BSA is fundamentally a Christian organization. Leaving aside the homophobia, they are one of the really good ones. But, being a Christian organization, they are a religious organization. Separation of Church and state can be an issue here if they prosthyletze. Aside from being discriminatory, and despite any BS protestations, their stand on homosexuality is a religious one. By inculcating that in their members, who, in theory, are below the age of consent and, therefore, cannot have a legally informed opinion, prosthyletization is exactly what they are doing. Unfortunately, this gets into murky water. No one gives a good goddamn if they teach kids to be upstanding citizens because it's the Christian thing to do. Render unto Ceasar and all. No one cares that they teach kids teamwork because it's the Christian thing to do (it is). No one cares that they teach kids self reliance because it's the Christian thing to do (it's not). No one cares that they're teach kid to be "Helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, thrifty, brave, clean" and, from my days in scouts, even "reverent" was couched in a sort of an AA kind of a way - doesn't matter what you believe so long as you believe in somthing greater than yourself - so not necessarily a problem there. Sure, they're teaching those values for Christian reasons, but they are values that amount to what good parenting results in anyway. Teaching kids to hate, though, that people care about. Even those who agree with their bigotry in the particular ought to take a step back and replace "Gay" with "Left Handed" or "Black" or "Red Haired" to pick some other biologically determined factors, and see that they would care about it in that case. (Judas was a redhead!) So, in addition to equal protection problems, there are separation of church and state problems. Homosexual oriented groups at schools have neither of those problems. If you're ticked off that your tax dollar is going to fund them, pay me back my money that was used in invading Iraq and then you will have a leg to stand on. __________________ Light a man a fire, and he will be warm while it burns. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.