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Janey · 03-03-2005, 10:56 AM

well, aside from the mean tone of his post, I have to agree with retsuki03 on this. follows my sentiments exactly, except the part about us trying to Thwart your foreign policy.

I REALLY don't think this is the case. It's more like we are trying to implement OUR own foreign policy (which I do really feel is more progressive - but we also don't have the burden of being the world's BMC) without being bullied by the current gov't in the US. And especially the very vocal media pundits which tend to sway the thoughts of the less strong thinking populace with hyperbole (Bill O'Reilly anybody? - can somebody check the paranoia thread to see if he is on the whitehouse payroll?).

I for one am getting very tired of all the anti-Canadian sentiment out there (did anybody watch the West Wing last night?) and they wonder why there has been a surge in anti americanism in this country.

And to harken to Daoust's point, we went through the exact same bullying tactics in this country to establish our own foreign policy separate from mother Britain. We have a long and strong tradition in this country of trying to stand for ourselves, the Lord Kitcheners, the Churchills, the Roosevelts, and Lynden Johnsons notwithstanding, we have on the whole managed to establish an identity, and wish to retain it.

As close allies, we should be agreeing to cooperate (I for one would have been happy to throw in with the missile thingy as a bit of foreigh policy 'give' especially since it would mean R&D dollars and little chance of success - and our NORAD contribution does extend beyond tracking Santa annually!) and agreeing to disagree (the entire Iraq thing was a good move on our part - there was VERY little that we could have contributed, other than good feel, plus I think that Chretien was crafty-smart in that decision, because Quebec was in elections, and joining the US may have impacted them in a bad way, so national unity was also in the works here) without behaving like bickering children.

end of my semi - rant/stream of consciousness post...

03-03-2005, 10:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
Janey Junkie Location: Toronto	well, aside from the mean tone of his post, I have to agree with retsuki03 on this. follows my sentiments exactly, except the part about us trying to Thwart your foreign policy. I REALLY don't think this is the case. It's more like we are trying to implement OUR own foreign policy (which I do really feel is more progressive - but we also don't have the burden of being the world's BMC) without being bullied by the current gov't in the US. And especially the very vocal media pundits which tend to sway the thoughts of the less strong thinking populace with hyperbole (Bill O'Reilly anybody? - can somebody check the paranoia thread to see if he is on the whitehouse payroll?). I for one am getting very tired of all the anti-Canadian sentiment out there (did anybody watch the West Wing last night?) and they wonder why there has been a surge in anti americanism in this country. And to harken to Daoust's point, we went through the exact same bullying tactics in this country to establish our own foreign policy separate from mother Britain. We have a long and strong tradition in this country of trying to stand for ourselves, the Lord Kitcheners, the Churchills, the Roosevelts, and Lynden Johnsons notwithstanding, we have on the whole managed to establish an identity, and wish to retain it. As close allies, we should be agreeing to cooperate (I for one would have been happy to throw in with the missile thingy as a bit of foreigh policy 'give' especially since it would mean R&D dollars and little chance of success - and our NORAD contribution does extend beyond tracking Santa annually!) and agreeing to disagree (the entire Iraq thing was a good move on our part - there was VERY little that we could have contributed, other than good feel, plus I think that Chretien was crafty-smart in that decision, because Quebec was in elections, and joining the US may have impacted them in a bad way, so national unity was also in the works here) without behaving like bickering children. end of my semi - rant/stream of consciousness post... Last edited by Janey; 03-03-2005 at 11:00 AM..