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roachboy · 01-19-2005, 04:18 PM

i thought this was a thread about the potential for american "intervention" in iran as well--i am a bit confused about how we got derailed by the usual round of macho bluster from the "realists" in the crowd--but no matter, really.

despite the assurance written and echoed above that the americans are "better than" other folk--which i suppose functions to justify those "inferior" (often brown, often far away) people dying in great anonymous number for the Cause of maintaining some nitwit understanding of american supremacy at every level in the world--i would like to point out that if the americans, under any pretext, tried to invade iran, what they would run into would make iraq look like a day spent under mudpacks in a swish health spa.

the americans brought the shah to power.
the americans trained savak
the american maintained the shah in power
the main reason you have the regime you do in place now is that the mosques were the only spaces not surveilled and suppressed by savak, the shah's secret police.
with american backing at every step.

do you imagine that iran was a democracy under the shah?
do you imagine that anyone, at all, would believe the george w bush tripe about exporting democracy in such a context?

it seems that the rehearsal of pseudo-machiavellian nonsense with reference to iran (or iraq......or anywhere else for that matter) presupposes a total ignorance of history, a willingness to complete ignore context--the posture amounts to occasions for a conservative circle jerks based around group affirmation of tough-guy standing.
all of which is run out on message board.
where obviously the stakes are high for each of you personally.
cheap steak tough, as gil scott-heron once said, and bonzo substantial.

pacifism as "weak mentality"--what? taking human life as something to be protected, to be honored, is weakness? an ethical approach to human conflict is weakness? is disease?

gee.
what an inspiring political posture.
i am sure that the world would be a much better place were the conservative high-school "realist" mentality to be universal. why even try for peaceful resolution of conflict? much better to cut straight to the chase and simply murder many many people. maybe you can tell them about how much better americans are then they as they expire.

01-19-2005, 04:18 PM	#134 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	i thought this was a thread about the potential for american "intervention" in iran as well--i am a bit confused about how we got derailed by the usual round of macho bluster from the "realists" in the crowd--but no matter, really. despite the assurance written and echoed above that the americans are "better than" other folk--which i suppose functions to justify those "inferior" (often brown, often far away) people dying in great anonymous number for the Cause of maintaining some nitwit understanding of american supremacy at every level in the world--i would like to point out that if the americans, under any pretext, tried to invade iran, what they would run into would make iraq look like a day spent under mudpacks in a swish health spa. the americans brought the shah to power. the americans trained savak the american maintained the shah in power the main reason you have the regime you do in place now is that the mosques were the only spaces not surveilled and suppressed by savak, the shah's secret police. with american backing at every step. do you imagine that iran was a democracy under the shah? do you imagine that anyone, at all, would believe the george w bush tripe about exporting democracy in such a context? it seems that the rehearsal of pseudo-machiavellian nonsense with reference to iran (or iraq......or anywhere else for that matter) presupposes a total ignorance of history, a willingness to complete ignore context--the posture amounts to occasions for a conservative circle jerks based around group affirmation of tough-guy standing. all of which is run out on message board. where obviously the stakes are high for each of you personally. cheap steak tough, as gil scott-heron once said, and bonzo substantial. pacifism as "weak mentality"--what? taking human life as something to be protected, to be honored, is weakness? an ethical approach to human conflict is weakness? is disease? gee. what an inspiring political posture. i am sure that the world would be a much better place were the conservative high-school "realist" mentality to be universal. why even try for peaceful resolution of conflict? much better to cut straight to the chase and simply murder many many people. maybe you can tell them about how much better americans are then they as they expire. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 01-19-2005 at 04:21 PM..