View Single Post
Old 01-05-2005, 06:58 AM   #17 (permalink)
Pacifier
undead
 
Pacifier's Avatar
 
Location: Duisburg, Germany
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto
What would the world be like if the US had never existed?
That is a too big "what if" to get a somewhat realistic answer.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto
2) Great Britian would still be a global super-power
nope, no superpower or "empire" survies that long

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto
3) Possibly (probably?) Germany would have won WWII, or at least achieved stale-mate (a la the book "Fatherland")
depends if there was a WW2 at all. Without the US the WW1 may have ended earlier with a "fairer" treaty thus perhaps not resulting in Hitler.

Churchill claimed that the US prolonged the War because the Allies felt more triumphant and aimed for germanys complete surrende. Without US both nation would have reached a status were war was no longer possible.

America should have minded her own business and stayed out of the World War. If you hadn't entered the war the Allies would have made peace with Germany in the Spring of 1917. Had we made peace then there would have been no collapse in Russia followed by Communism, no breakdown in Italy followed by Fascism, and Germany would not have signed the Versailles Treaty, which has enthroned Nazism in Germany. If America had stayed out of the war, all these isms wouldn't today be sweeping the continent of Europe and breaking down parliamentary government— and if England had made peace early in 1917, it would have saved over one million British, French, American, and other lives. [purportedly, interview in New York Enquirer 1936]

To follow this thought, the war could have ended in a massive soldiers (french soldiers were revoltnig in 1917; germans sailors revoltet 1918) and peoples revolt against their goverments resulting in a couple of "peoples republics" over europe (could be good, but could also be very bad)

sounds far fetched? yep, this is "what if" after all

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto
4) The Soviet Union would still exist and great swathes of Europe would be under a totalitarian regime.
Unlikely, without a great enemy the SU would have been fallen apart much earlier, or perhaps evolved in a nore nice goverment since the outside pressure would no be there. This pressure resulted in the russians desire to compete and that demanded a totalitarian regime.
__________________
"It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death
— Albert Einstein
Pacifier is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360