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Originally Posted by bond007
let me see if I can help...
without 1st learning what NOT to do in Cleveland, Belichick would never have won a Super Bowl... or two (albeit with the Patriots).
without Belichick being Cleveland's coach... Bernie Kosar would never have won a Super Bowl (albeit with the Cowboys).
without the lack of success during Belichick's tenure... Modell wouldn't have been able to move the team to Baltimore, and therefore would never have won a Super Bowl (albeit as the Ravens).
... feel better now???
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Lol.... bite me dough boy.
That's just it CLE is great training ground. Without CLE, Nettles and Pinella would never have played in NY for the Yankees. Without CLE, Gabe Paul would never have known which prospects to trade nobodies to CLE for to build the great Yankees dynasty of the late '70's. (Gabe Paul was CLE's GM then went to NY when Clevelander George Steinbrenner bought the Yankees.)
Eckersley would have been nothing more than a drunk who never lived up to talent had CLE not traded him.
I could go on.
Kosar was on a winning team, but as a backup to Troy Aikman.
Belichik ran the Browns down to a place they have not recovered from.
Such is the curse of CLE.