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Originally Posted by thinktank
There is a seperation of church and state for a reason. tragic that the church is enough of a majority that they feel they can circumvent that.
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this is fundamentally flawed reasoning. there is a clear distinction between effecting policy on religious grounds and doing the same on moral grounds. we grant the state the right to make all manner of moral judgements independent of theological considerations. to argue that the church is circumventing the separation of church and state you must hold that religion is the sole source of moral thought. that position is untenable for obvious reasons.
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