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Originally Posted by pan6467
I brought out the fact that you stepped over the line and personally attacked me with no knowledge of my life by saying since I had rich parents I was bailed out all my life. I felt I had to defend that because that is not true at all. If you care to open a personal discussion with me, we can do so I am very open and honest about every facet in my life.)
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Please quote where I said you've been bailed out all of your life. I said no such thing. You had family that you could turn to for help if you got your shit together. You've stated that now that you have your shit together, your family is indeed helping you. I didn't have that luxury...in fact, I had the opposite. There were times when I was in school that I was called by my family when members of it couldn't make their mortgage payment, and I was the last person they could turn to to try and keep their home. I coughed up the cash, by whatever means necessary, even if it meant going without myself. One semester, this happened, and I literally had to sell ALL of my textbooks (from all previous semesters, even including my reference DSM) before I was finished with them to help my mom make her mortgage payment. That sucked, but I did it, because that's what family does....we bail each other out, no matter what, and we deal with the fallout, no matter what. It's just in my case, we had a much smaller pie to work from.
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I was lucky I had drive and determination and wasn't married nor had a house or car payments so I was able to correct my situation. But I've seen great close friends who had very good paying jobs and a nice savings lose it all because the company they worked for, for years, left or closed down(we won't talk about retirement funds they also lost). It's hard to see 30-40 year olds with families lose everything and expect them and their wives to work 2-3 30 hour jobs for pay that is still 25-50% less than what they made.
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Life is a situation where you either adapt or die. This holds true for plants, it holds true for animals, and it holds true for people. This is Darwinism in action. Some people believe in the moral equivalent of Creationism, but I can't hold those people in terribly high mental regard, regardless of which species of Creationism or protectionism they believe in.
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And what's worse and sickening is watching fellow Americans say that they are "lazy", "stupid", "don't want to do better", need to look at going to school (how they have to work 2 jobs to keep food on the table and try to keep their homes). It just amazes me people will blame the hardworking poor for being poor. To me that's a very sad way to live life thinking.
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They have to downsize some aspect of their lives. Maybe it means getting rid of cable tv. Maybe it means moving to a different neighborhood. Maybe it means taking part in a co-op food pantry. But if they choose to work 60 hours a week at two different jobs to keep their home that they can't really afford now, that's a matter of their CHOICE.
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There are 3 things I'm passionate about in politics (Constitution and BOR excluded, everyone should be passionate about them as they guarantee our freedoms). Education, decent wages and bringing home manufacturing and a military that if they have to fight are as well armed and as well prepared as we can possible get them to be. There's reasons I'm passionate about all 3.
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Education: Good. I'm a big believer in education too. Decent wages: Yeah, no problem there, PROVIDED that the wages are based upon the utility of the work being performed, rather than being made artificially high due to legislation. Manufacturing? That ain't gonna cut it. Most manufacturing doesn't take skilled work, and there are billions of unskilled workers out in the world who are happy to work for 1/100th of what unskilled workers here want. In order to bring manufacturing back here, you're going to have to engage in massive protectionism. That doesn't work.
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You say life isn't fair and therefore "an honest liveable wage for an honest day's work" is BS. I believe that way of thinking is not only greedy but shows why we have the massive disparity we have and why it is increasing. I think that quote is how businesses should pay their people.
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It's all a matter of utility. If you work for somebody doing something that adds no real value to the enterprise because of a government edict saying they have to employ you doing make-work, you don't DESERVE a living wage. All you're doing is marking time, you're not adding value. If you add value, you should be paid based upon the value you add. That's not greed on the part of corporations, that's what's REQUIRED by corporations for them to survive and remain competitive. And if the corporation doesn't survive, it can't very well pay people, can it?