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Old 11-18-2004, 08:32 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by joeshoe
Who's defending it?

You can't blame other countries for this. It's not their fault they want jobs, just like anyone else would. They aren't doing anything wrong, anything you wouldn't do yourself. It's the people who are so interested in profits that they are willing to botch the economy who are to blame.

I agree whole heartedly, but there are some on this board and in the media who work very hard to convince people that the working poor are getting what they deserve. So in essence they are the ones defending all this shit.

They are tools for the elite, who profit most from paying as little as possible. And it isn't all big businesses fault. I am sure there are sompanies that have to move as a last resort.

Another example:

I own a huge corporation and the town relies on my factory. I pay my workers good, they have income to spend and do so at mom and pop places (bars, restaurants, barber/salons little antique stores, grocers, health stores, insurance agents, car dealers, etc. And these places have decently paid employees.). Taxes are good, the schools profit, money is spent loosely.

Now, my foreign competition is coming over selling the same goods at a much cheaper quality for a much lesser price. Forcing me to move from an area my company has been at for 6-7 decades.

Now, those workers, who had good paying jobs and a nice disposable income have to shop at bargain stores like Wal*Mart, Kroger, Target. The bars are replaced by TGI Friday's and these workers are having to guy insurance off the net for cheaper prices because there is no commission overhead.

The locally owned businesses close down because they can't afford to stay in business (this I know having owned my own pizza place. When I owned one I paid premium for my supplies, someone who owns more gets a discount because they could buy more in bulk.) So all the nice locally owned businesses are closed there goes those decent wages to companies that pay crap.

Now the tax structures are hurting because not only is the factory gone, but so is that nice income tax from the workers, gone are the taxes from the small businesses. So now schools suffer, roads go to shit and the "richer people" feel that they are paying more than everyone else when in reality they may pay more percent wise but in real dollars they pay far less.

Poverty invades the community, land values fall, so another tax income drops. People leave to find work and more tax income drops. Finally, you are left with very rich, who are able to buy up land dirt cheap at foreclosure auctions then rent them out, and the people who can't move because they can't afford to, believe times will get better, have lost hope etc.

This is happening all across the nation. It has been happening since the late 70's and government has done nothing to stop it. Never even truly tried. Question is why?

Now, you have lost serious tax income from factories and their workers, small businesses, and the real estate. The rich refuse to pay more for public schools because they can afford to send their kids to private schools, so schools free fall and education goes downhill. So this global economy is a farce because every other country out there is educating their kids better and faster and harder than we can afford to.

What are your solutions to this problem? There are some here who care only about themselves and buy into this, saying that people deserve this and refuse to do anything to bring back factories. Yet complain about how they pay too much in taxes. What they don't see is if people made liveable wages and we had decent companies to work for and support the community, they would have more income and perhaps the tax burden would be able to be spread out more.

So to those who believe that the poor deserve this and who don't try to better the community and cry their tax burdens are too high I feel no pity for you. In fact I don't think you are taxed enough. Once taxes get to a certain point then maybe you too will demand change.
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