shakran

If the TFP admins support the banning of users because they have the audacity to challenge an ultra-right wing user (or left wing user for that matter. . . .or hell, any user), then it is not the place that I, or frankly pretty much any of us thought it to be.

Let me be sure of where I stand here. You seem to be threatening to ban me because I said the neo-conservatives are preaching bullshit. Are we no longer permitted to point out when someone is deceiving us?

The comparison to the sun rising on the moon was frankly disingenuous. I do hope you are not suggesting that we make all of our posts look like a legal document, with very specific examples (the sun will rise tomorrow on earth in the central time zone assuming the sun wasn't destroyed by a mutant space fly, and the like) in order to deal with simple definitions.

The idea that truth is subjective is 1) incorrect, 2) irrelevant (I was talking about fact, not truth, and 3) used as a cop-out by those who do not wish to make or support those who make strongly worded statements.

Throughout our little side argument you have concentrated on snipping away at minutae while not even bothering to deny my main point - Bush changed his story. Of course, you do not deny it because it is fact and it is truth, and no reasonable person would deny that white is white. It is also the reason for my original post.

I understand that there are those who do not wish to see the Bush administration for what it is. I understand that there are those who will become angry when someone points out their failings and shortcomings.

What I do not understand is why you seem to be saying that when people get angry, it is the fault of those pointing out the shortcomings, and not the fault of those who are allowing themselves to get angry because of the facts.