Originally Posted by shakran

No, all truth is not subjective or opinion. The sun will rise tomorrow. That is a truth. It is not an opinion or subjective.


The Sun will not Rise tomarrow, on the dark side of the Moon.
That the Sun will Rise is subjective to relative observation

The administration has changed its story many times. That is a truth. It is not subjective. It is not an opinion. They first said they wanted to get bin Laden. Then they said they didn't care about getting bin Laden. That is a 180 degree flip (flop) from their previous position. A change of statement that large can not subjectively or any other way be considered to not be a change any more than black can subjectively become white. There are many other instances of them changing their opinion, far too many to go into again in this thread.

I see where you are coming from. You don't want us to say things that others might take offense at because that could degenerate the discussion into yet another flame war.

I do not wish to quell Debate....but to create civility.
Obviously.....it is a mute point , and I will no longer bore you with the attempt. Guess I will just go back to being the, Ban happy, Bitch slapping Mod we all need here.


However, if, in order to avoid flame wars, we must avoid the truth at all costs lest we offend someone with overly delicate sensibilities, then there is no point to having a discussion at all.

What I am trying to say is, sometimes the truth pisses people off, but that is frankly too bad. Sometimes the truth is more important than shielding people from anger.