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Old 11-10-2004, 03:54 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Manx
The United States is nothing more than the joint composition of 50 independant states, an umbrella acting as a sovereign nation. The US exists as 50 individual states, each occupying a physical place outlined by borders. The U.S. partially governs the land those states occupy by virtue of mutual benefit.

The US is just a national forum for representatives of the states to meet and talk. It has no sovereignty over the group of 50 states outside of the sovereignty assigned to it by those 50 states. There is no physical area outlined by borders, outside the 50 states that comprise it, that define it as a national state. It is simply the end result of a few documents put together.

Apples to apples.
The citizens of the United States are simply that. Citizens of the United States, not citizens of Arizona, California, New York or any other state. The States are not soverign entities. They may have the power to make their own laws and set their own internal policy, but they cannot create laws or policies that override the laws set forth by the Federal Government of the United States. The states also have no athourity to handle foreign affairs. Arizona cannot sign a treaty with Mexico, New York cannot sign a treaty with Canada. States also do not have the power to enter into agreements with other states.

The members of the UN are sovereign entities. People who are citizens of countries that are members of the UN are not citizens of the UN, they are citizens of the United States, Germany, France. The members of the UN have the power to make their own laws, but the UN does not have the power to make laws for the member nations. Member nations also have the power to engage in foreign affairs and sign treaties on their own with both member and nonmember nations.


Perhaps you should read the US constitution.

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Constitution of the United States of America
Article IV
Section 3, Clause 2: The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.
The US Congress has the power to set the rules and regulations regarding terrority within the jurisdiction of the United States. This means that the land of any state is Unites States land and that gives the United States a physical area outlined by borders.

If you want to compare apples to apples, compare the UN to NATO or compare the US to the German Bundesrepublic. But don't compare the US to the UN.
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