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Originally Posted by onetime2
My point Meph is that there were multiple threads with many cries of censorship when Moore was making his claims. People all over the wonderful politics board here cried foul because people stood up and let their voices be heard. I do not see those same people making the same claims they made then. Perhaps they're no longer around. Or perhaps they are wholly inconsistent in their application of their "principles".
The fact that Moore gets booted too has no relevance to my statement.
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ah, how sad, selective memory, retrospective reinterpretation:
Mephisto, you know by now that people read things the way their preconceived assumptions guide them to.
Here's one of those fabled statements:
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Miramax already invested the money. Disney is refusing to release the film, not fund it.
IT isn't an indy film, either. Miramax is a mainstream production studio.
One issue may be relevant here: should a corporation be able to buy things and then sit on them? I suppose one could argue the right to do that, but people defending such a "right" are singing a hollow tune to me.
It seems pretty obvious to me that one sells production rights to a studio with the belief that it will eventually be viewed by the public. If minds are changing now, Moore should be allowed to re-sell it to someone else (or release it over the net...oops).
I also wanted to point out the irony of the film's title. Regardless of whether Disney has the right to cancel the film, they are censoring it. Fahrenheit 451 -- woot, woot!
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from here:
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...ore+censorship
I still stand by my assertion. I can draw a distinction between an outside entity explicitly squashing the release of something (censorship) and what happened here: people complained about the film, stocks dropped, and advertisers pulled their shit. Ulitimately, however, the people who were going to release the documentary decided not to air it
themselves. IF you want to call this censorship, go ahead, but it was self-imposed. Moore didn't decide not to release his movie, Disney did that and, originally, wasn't going to give up the rights for anyone else to release it.
Now, the same arguments happened with the Dixie Chicks, wherein conservative hypocrites argued that people burning CD's, shouted the girls down, physically threatened them, and basically ran amok during public appearances were all just instances of 'free expression' rather than censorship. But now it's a problem--with a dash of lib bashing based in fantasia, to boot.
Common sense dictates...hopefully