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Originally Posted by cthulu23
Has the pope endorsed this war or condemned it? No matter what statements there are dealing with just war on a CAtholic scale, this Iraq adventure doesn't meet that criteria.
http://www.cathnews.com/news/303/124.php
Can you doubt the words of the Pontiff? Why is this pronunciation selectively ignored? Given your earlier statements, you have a moral obligation to adhere to this. If "powerless" in the face of an issue is a valid excuse, then I guess I can justify a whole lot of things that the church doesn't agree with.
Kerry has NEVER come out for gay marriage. Any statement to the contrary is just plain wrong.
As was implied above, if you don't oppose the war, don't pretend to be aligned with the church....you're not. |
By not banning it he is not protecting the sanctity of marriage.
And again we've spun way off topic with this war issue, because mr.kerry voted for it- Both are wrong and will go to hell then?
But back to the issue in point-
Mr. Bush
PROS
Against abortion
For protecting the sanctity of marriage
Against stem cell research
Cons
Was for the war ( which ISNT INTRSINCLY EVIL)
Mr. Kerry
PRO
isnt "for" gay marriages
Cons
Against ban on partial birth abortion
wont answer if he'll use roe v wade in litmus test for Suprm Court
WONT protect the sanctity of marriage
Wants MORE embyronic stem cell research
Was "for" the war
And about gay marriages
"God established the family as the basic cell of human society. Therefore, we must strive to make the needs and concerns of families a central national priority. Marriage must be protected as a lifelong commitment between a man and a woman and our laws should reflect this principle."
Faithful Citizenship
This was a thread about Kerry being Excommunicated- and his views in reflection to that of the Catholic church, I stated I wasnt for the war, and you say "I've just pointed out your divergence from Catholicism in other areas. What about your obligation in conscience to work against the war?"
But IF i voted for Kerry - id be supporting the war as well...
So assuming that there are degrees of evil
War is not intrinsicly evil. Abortion is. Stem Cell research ( via damaging embyros) is. Gay Marriage is.
As stated countless times, it is not ONLY our duty to make sure our laws reflect these beliefs. Stating that you will keep your beliefs seperate from the poltical process is ludacrious.
And if you need a History Lesson, as mr.kerry said it would be up to states to ban gay marriages
Q: You also said that you believe the Defense of Marriage Act was fundamentally unconstitutional.
KERRY: I was incorrect in that statement. I think, in fact, that no state has to recognize something that is against their public policy. For 200 years, we have left marriage up to the states.
From Issues 2000.org
Abortion was left up to states until Roe V. Wade- and the supreme court did away with the states rights to outlaw abortion.as Ive said before- hes playing both sides. he believes its between a man and a woman, but at the same time wont protect it. He had a chance to do it. Defence of marriage act which he called " fundamentaly ugly".
and as to your " if you dont oppose hte war, dont pretend your aligned with teh catholic church.. your not"
I hate to pull a Clinton, but what your definiation of oppose?
I was not FOR it...