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Originally Posted by Rekna
I think you should read up on more legal findings. Look up the McCain-Fengold Act. Look up the cases on abortion activists who were posting private information of people getting abortions. Rights only go as far as infringing on other peoples rights.
For instance if freedom of speech was absolute lieing under oath should not be a crime. But lieing under oath would eliminate the right to a fair trail. There are limits on the bill of rights and how far they extend.
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I'm not saying that rights do NOT go only as far as infringing on others' rights.
I think I've figured out what we're arguing about here - you think the Sinclair broadcast is making the election unfair.
How?
Surely it's not because a station is broadcasting an anti-Kerry opinion to the benefit of Bush, because then it'll balance out with Al Franken broadcasting an anti-Bush opinion to the benefit of Kerry.
Dennis Miller has said he's voting for Bush this year. He's said it many times on his show on CNBC. Is he violating the country's right to a fair election?
Rush Limbaugh blathers on about the evil democrats daily. Is he violating our right to a fair election?
By the way, where in the constitution does it say "you have freedom of speech and expression as long as it doesn't express an opinion about anything that the country might vote on?"
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Originally Posted by Rekna
shakran your argument keeps coming down to this logic.
It isn't illegal for me to rape your mom and cut off her head but I need to be prepared for the consiquences of my actions.
You can't say it isn't illegal to do X and then follow that by saying you can be charged with a crime for doing X.
Laws don't stop me from doing anything which is what your arguments are hinging on.
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Read again. it IS illegal for you to rape my mom and cut off her head. It is NOT illegal for you to SAY "I want your mom to be raped and her head to be cut off."
If, however, you contract with a hitman and tell him you want my mom raped and her head to be cut off, and he then goes and does it, then you're guilty of conspiracy. You have crossed the line from opinion speech (I think your mom should be raped) to ordering the rape of my mom. HUGE difference. This is why when the cops go undercover to catch people trying to hire hitmen, they MUST get the suspect to say "I want you to kill him and I will give you money for it," and then they MUST collect money from the suspect. Otherwise, it's just speech.
But actually your last sentence is technically correct. Laws do not prevent crimes. They establish what is a crime and establish what the punishment range for that crime will be. There are laws against speeding, but I speed every day. If I'm caught, however, I have to pay a fine. The law didn't prevent me from speeding, but it punished me after the fact.