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Originally Posted by Meier_Link
Poland? That's president Bush's ace in the hole? Do you know how many Polaks it takes to win a war?
All joking aside, Kerry clearly won the debate. Even Bush supporters have to agree.
Kerry made good points about how his alledged flip-flops were due to Bush's deception regarding what circumstances under which he would go to war with Iraq.
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I agree with your assessment. Even commentators on Fox news were giving props to kerry, which I think is more telling than anything else.
The only way Bush supporters can hold on to their strand of versions of facts is by deliberately misrepresenting the other side, because I really don't think they are all so unintelligent that they can't understand a complex sentence. (Or apparently the kerry's sentences are too complex, they tend to be lucid to me).
For example, kerry wants to have bilateral talks with N. Korea. He
also wants to have multilateral talks with China included. Gee, that's really fucking hard to understand.
The person we want to listen to us wants to talk with us, and China wants us to talk to him, too. And they want to continue having multi-lateral talks. Why is this so complex?
Why insult a leader of a nation? Especially one like kim Jong-il, a communist leader who might possibly have a personal complex about his status among people viewing him--like all leaders of nations I would presume. What justifies calling someone out in public in a way that is likely to humiliate the other person (as Bush did to kim jong-il). Unless you think multilateral talks and other world leaders are just going to brow beat jong-il into submission (preposterous in my estimation), doesn't it behoove the people who want someone to agree to their position to cede a bit of the control (ie, the talks happen at least on some level in a way that jong-il prefers)? Or, we can keep being pigheaded about it and wait until he launches a nuke at Los Angeles and wipes out the world's 5th or 6th largest economy (which he doesn't likely want to do, but may feel pressure to do it if we keep disrespecting him in the world community).