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I concur...I took a java2 programing class some years back with NO prior programing knowledge....wow was it a trial by fire, but I pulled off a D in the course. I took the course blind thinking it was just a web development (which it was) course as advertised, but assumed it was just html scripting. I spent hours with dry eyes in front of the monitor, but I agree that solving some of the task and compiling the data was a true sense of acomplishment. I would like to play with it again on free time if i could get motivated.
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