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Originally Posted by Journeyman
"Liberals want to impose their values on Arkansas."
What... the... fuck? Did conservatives forget the definition of impose?
Under God: Religious value, currently being imposed on public school students.
Partial birth abortion: So fucking hideous it's usually only used to save the lives of the deliverers.
Same-sex marriages: Religious value currently limiting marital freedom amongst homosexuals.
Can't really back up the teenage abortion deal. The right to privacy, I don't think, extends to limiting what a parent can know about their under-18 children.
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The problem is most liberals don't argue from that stance. Lets take a look at Tom Daschle as an example. He acts like a conservative when he gives speeches at home and a liberal when he is in the senate. Dick Durbin, a senator from my state, does the same thing. The problem I have with liberals are they don't present themselves as liberals. If you want all those things SAY it to the people. Say 'I want to get rid of under god in the pledge' or 'I want to allow gay marriages' or 'I want your 16 year old daughter to be able to get an abortion no matter what you have to say about it!'. The problem of course is they would LOSE so they pretend to be something else. They let liberal and unaccountable judges do their dirty work for them. They rely on the basic nature of the American people to not pay attention to what their congressman votes for.
This is why three times as many Americans say they are conservative as compared to say they are liberal. Liberal is a dirty word, it stands for things the public does not want, and since they can't get it democratically they try to back door their agenda.