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Originally Posted by j8ear
Unfortunately he's not 'MY MAN,' nor do I support him.
He's 'our' man, for the time being, and imho, he's also the best (or maybe 'least worst' would better sum it up) of the two 'sacks of shit' available as contenders in this upcoming voicing of the people.
As far as your assertion that Kerry and Bush fell from the same flip-flop tree, care to back it up with anything other then talking points? Heck, even talking points might be fun for all of us to laugh at.
As soon as you spew the 'cut taxes for the wealthy' LIE you loose credibility as a serious debater. Thanks for the red-herrings on the issues and ad hom's on me.
To your credit Filtherton...you are a very interesting poster to read. Passionate and usually very logical in nature.
-bear
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Well, he did cut taxes for the wealthy, i don't know how that is a lie. The phrase "flip-flopper" is a talking point, too.
Anyways,
flip-flop 1) In the 2000 campaign he came out strongly against nation building. Flippety-flop, invade afghanistan(not a bad idea), invade iraq(jury's still out)
2) I am a uniter, not a divider. Not so much.
Actually, fuck it, this person has compiled many of them into a convenient list:
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# Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.
# Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.
# Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.
# Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.
# Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.
# Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.
# Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.
# Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
# Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.
# Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.
# Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits
# Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
# Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.
# Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.
# Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will
# Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.
# Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote
# Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.
# Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.
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complements of:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/3/7/213753/1954
Thanks for the credit, btw. Sorry if you felt ad hominized, perhaps my words and my intentions were not as one.
The fact is that most politicians are flip-floppers. People who aren't flexible to changing winds get broken in half(if you'll excuse the mixed metaphor, or something). Bush changed his mind about nation building because of 9/11. He really had no choice on afghanistan. You might look at the above list and say to yourself, "Well, actually, bush had a good reason to flip-flop on said issue" and, arguing from the perspective of a changing world and/or political necessity you'd probably be correct. Some of the things on the list probably aren't actually flip-flops, just partisan mischaracterization. The bullshit flows both ways. Kerry has twenty+ years of politics under his belt. The world has changed drastically in twenty years. Doing anything for twenty years requires adaptation and adjustment. Even in the recent campaigns, kerry has a clearly defined platform set forth on his web page. He doesn't seem to get much time to talk about it, but i've checked and it is there.
To be clear, i don't like either of them, but as you say, the 'least worst' will have to do. If you know that both are sacks of shit, why denounce one for actions that are quite similar to the other?