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Willravel · 09-02-2004, 06:46 PM

Fallacies of your argument:
1. If there was a fire substantial enough to melt aluminum to the point that there is basically nothing left but the nose of the plane would have melted the subframe of the building in all three buildings. This was NOT the case. The frame was hit in the first building, therefore it colapsed, but there was little heat generated by the fire. Seperate interviews done by local papers of the firemen said that they put out a medium fire and there was little damage done by the fire to the buildings. Now what you need to understand is that at the World Trade Center, the fire produced by the plane fuel burning was so hot that it melted the frames of the building for over 13 floors in both buildings. Heat of this kind would have done a great amount of damage. At the pentagon, there was grass that wasen't even singed as close as 100 feet from the impact. I don't think you can explain this, but you're welcome to try.

2. A plane of the size of a 757-200 could not fly that fast that close to the ground. The plane simply does not have the capabilities of flying that fast that low. It can reach speed near that in the air, but the terminal velocity coupled with heavy air resistance the closer you get to thje ground basically makes that impossible. People don't know what missles sound like in the US, unless they're military. I really don't care what they said about the sound.

3.Doesn't make any difference really. I wasn't going off the still. It's far to blurry.

4. Yes, but not that small of a hole. You can't have it both ways. You can't say that the cone was just fine because the plane was going so fast, but the cockpit crumbled immediatally. The cockpit is STRONGER then the nose. Therefore, if the nose was strong enough to puncture the buildings, then the cockpit was as well. The hole would be much larger if the cockpit was intact. That's the bottom line. Also, in all the crashes I've ever seen, and believe that I've been doing a lot of research lately, the nose always crumbles. No matter the speed, no matter the direction of impact. I urge you to call an expert to verify this, because you probably won't beleive me. I have.

If it were so devious and sophisticated, why are we talking here? They DID make mistakes. Serious mistakes. The facts are at the countrys fingertips, but any good magician or trickster can tell you that the best tool they have is missdirection. Iraq and the Taliban/Alqueda/other terrorist groups have kept the Americans scared shitless and at the edge of our seats. Everyone mourned and we jumped head first into the hunt. We didn't look back. Now that the war basically took a dump on us, we are breathing for a second and everything is starting to come into focus.

No you are not paraphrasing what I said, you are missinterpreting what I said. There's a difference. I was saying that you should read the rest of the posts before you say something that contradicts the posts, and then you'd make a fool of yourself. Seeing as you have now read the posts and watched the flash movie, I'd say you are no longer in that danger. Understand? So no I did not call you an utter fool. Further discussion of the utter fool topic should be moved from the paranoid thread to the knowledge thread. We can finish it there if you still don't believe me.

09-02-2004, 06:46 PM	#54 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Fallacies of your argument: 1. If there was a fire substantial enough to melt aluminum to the point that there is basically nothing left but the nose of the plane would have melted the subframe of the building in all three buildings. This was NOT the case. The frame was hit in the first building, therefore it colapsed, but there was little heat generated by the fire. Seperate interviews done by local papers of the firemen said that they put out a medium fire and there was little damage done by the fire to the buildings. Now what you need to understand is that at the World Trade Center, the fire produced by the plane fuel burning was so hot that it melted the frames of the building for over 13 floors in both buildings. Heat of this kind would have done a great amount of damage. At the pentagon, there was grass that wasen't even singed as close as 100 feet from the impact. I don't think you can explain this, but you're welcome to try. 2. A plane of the size of a 757-200 could not fly that fast that close to the ground. The plane simply does not have the capabilities of flying that fast that low. It can reach speed near that in the air, but the terminal velocity coupled with heavy air resistance the closer you get to thje ground basically makes that impossible. People don't know what missles sound like in the US, unless they're military. I really don't care what they said about the sound. 3.Doesn't make any difference really. I wasn't going off the still. It's far to blurry. 4. Yes, but not that small of a hole. You can't have it both ways. You can't say that the cone was just fine because the plane was going so fast, but the cockpit crumbled immediatally. The cockpit is STRONGER then the nose. Therefore, if the nose was strong enough to puncture the buildings, then the cockpit was as well. The hole would be much larger if the cockpit was intact. That's the bottom line. Also, in all the crashes I've ever seen, and believe that I've been doing a lot of research lately, the nose always crumbles. No matter the speed, no matter the direction of impact. I urge you to call an expert to verify this, because you probably won't beleive me. I have. If it were so devious and sophisticated, why are we talking here? They DID make mistakes. Serious mistakes. The facts are at the countrys fingertips, but any good magician or trickster can tell you that the best tool they have is missdirection. Iraq and the Taliban/Alqueda/other terrorist groups have kept the Americans scared shitless and at the edge of our seats. Everyone mourned and we jumped head first into the hunt. We didn't look back. Now that the war basically took a dump on us, we are breathing for a second and everything is starting to come into focus. No you are not paraphrasing what I said, you are missinterpreting what I said. There's a difference. I was saying that you should read the rest of the posts before you say something that contradicts the posts, and then you'd make a fool of yourself. Seeing as you have now read the posts and watched the flash movie, I'd say you are no longer in that danger. Understand? So no I did not call you an utter fool. Further discussion of the utter fool topic should be moved from the paranoid thread to the knowledge thread. We can finish it there if you still don't believe me.