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Originally Posted by OpieCunningham
No, I think we already determined that your emotional response is the mistake in logic, by nature.
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No we did not. You implied I said the Chechens were scum. I patently and demonstrably did not.
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I have already pointed out how the situation for the Chechens differs greatly from a the Revolutionary War. I'm not certain which country you are referring to - but I expect some or all of the same differences I highlighted would apply.
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I'm talking about the Irish War for Independence, and you seem to be missing my point. It is possible to fight a war without degenerating into terrorism. It's not that difficult a concept.
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I don't believe in murdering children either. If I were a Chechen, I would probably be killed by the Russian military. This action would not help any other Chechen and if all Chechens were like me, they would all be killed.
I don't believe in genocide.
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I'm not really sure I understand what you're saying here. Are you saying that all/any Chechens would "probably" be killed by the Russian military? Or just these terrorists? It's not clear what you're saying.
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4- What political means? No other country has stepped up to do anything other than some exceptionally mild form of appeasement to Human Rights organizations. Political means is the same thing as my Gandhi solution. The rest of the world has never been interested in helping the Chechens.
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Exactly what I said. Political means. Work within the system. Vote in a regime that will slowly, peacefully move away from Moscow.
You asked what other options there were. I didn't realise you meant "What other, quick and dirty, no holds barred, anything goes options are there?"
And for the record, the EU has
repeatedly criticised the RF for its actions in Chechnya. Without actually going to war with the Russia there's not much else that can be done.
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5- This has been going on for years. It hasn't stopped the Stalinist tactics of the Russians at all.
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So it hasn't worked in the past 10 years. Therefore you justify the murder of innocent civilians and children and the sick?
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The point of my question is that it is all well and easy to say "Damn those terrorist bastards!" - but the world is not as simple as that, as much as we might want it to be.
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I think my position is quite clear. I did not say "Damn those terrorist bastards!". I said (or have implied) "Damn those
particular child-kidnapping, terrorist bastards".
And it IS that simple.
As I said earlier, having lived in a country that experienced terrorism for 30 years, having been touched by it directly, I have a good understanding of both sides of any conflict. I can understand everyone's point of view, even Al Queda and Hezbollah and other terrorist/freedom fighting groups around the world.
But some times, some groups cross the line. The Lord's Resistance Army in the Democratic Republic of Congo did it. And these particular Chechen terrorists (if that is what they truly are) did it. They crossed the line and deserve no respect.
Finally, just one observation. There is an underlying implication in your entire argument that the Chechen seperatists are "rightgeous" in their actions. You should know that the majority of Chechen's do NOT support this kind of act. And your use of terms like "Stalinist" (when it is clearly not appropriate) also devalue your argument.
Mr Mephisto