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Originally Posted by hannukah harry
i can already tell you there's no point in continuing this, because we will not agree on reality.
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Obviously. One of us is in touch with it - the other believes that Israel has been "defending" themselves.
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by your logic then, the indians (natvie americans) are still at war with the US, because we havent' allowed them complete sovereignty over themselves or given them back the land we took in war from them.
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I assure you, if the Native American's had not been almost entirely wiped off the face of the earth and if they had even a modicum of support from neighboring countries, they would indeed be at war with with us today. And rightfully so.
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i'm sorry, but unless you're anti-UN, and think they should be disbanded and none of their resolutions lived up to, you don't have a leg to stand on.
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Disagreeing completely and totally with the UN decision to take land from people and give it to some other people does not mean I have to be anti-UN and wish it to be disbanded and have none of their resolutions lived up to. I'm not clear how my disagreement with one issue is supposed to apply to everything and anything the UN has done - but I attribute your analysis to your grasp of reality.
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the land (whether right or wrong), was given to them by a UN resolution
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This is where you have it backwards - it is irrelevant as to whether and/or who "gave" them the land - the question is precisely whether it was right or wrong. I see no evidence of any righteous purpose in giving them that piece of land - because it was wrong. From that decision, Israel then fought for a wrong - ergo, they are the initial aggressor of the war.