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my objection to the articles that began the thread have been consistent--on the first article: what it has to say is normative--and at that level innocuous---but ut says nothing about the practical dimensions--and because it does that, it sounds quite alot like a slightly more sane version of the wolfowitz notion of the war.
as for the second: the clash of civilization argument is absurd--the religious war argument is absurd--the "history" that builds these arguments into a timeline is ideological---and the effects of these arguments are to my mind summed up by the quote from zygmunt bauman that i posted above.
pulling out of the intermediate conversation, arguing that there is still stuff to be discussed at a more interesting level, i remain your humble servant etc etc etc
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a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle
spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear
it make you sick.
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