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Old 07-02-2004, 04:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
Lebell
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Originally posted by hammer4all
Well what do ya know--right away he misrepresents the movie's claim in order to try refute it.

Once again, here is the quote from the movie:

Moore: And even if numerous independent investigations prove that Gore got the most votes --
Toobin: If there was a statewide recount, under every scenario, Gore won the election.

And as we can see here, the claim is 100% factually accurate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._pr...oject_recounts

http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1115-02.htm

http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/florida.html

http://www.failureisimpossible.com/n...idaballots.htm

Rolleyes all day long, your "facts" don't wash either.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...news-headlines

Quote:
Film offers limited view


BY THOMAS FRANK;WASHINGTON BUREAU

June 27, 2004


WASHINGTON - At the start of "Fahrenheit 9/11," filmmaker Michael Moore shows a clip of CNN analyst Jeffrey Toobin saying that if ballots had been recounted in Florida after the 2000 presidential vote, "under every scenario Gore won the election."

What Moore doesn't show is that a six-month study in 2001 by news organizations including The New York Times, the Washington Post and CNN found just the opposite. Even if the Supreme Court had not stopped a statewide recount, or if a more limited recount of four heavily Democratic counties had taken place, Bush still would have won Florida and the election.

The inclusion of Toobin's minority view and exclusion of mainstream documentation typifies the shaky case Moore builds against President George W. Bush in his two-hour film.

http://dir.salon.com/politics/wire/2...unt/index.html

Quote:
Florida recount tallies released



Associated Press
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November 12, 2001 | A vote-by-vote review of untallied ballots in the 2000 Florida presidential election indicates George W. Bush would have narrowly prevailed in the partial recounts sought by Al Gore, but Gore might have reversed the outcome -- by the barest of margins -- had he pursued and gained a complete statewide recount.

Bush eventually won Florida, and thus the White House, by 537 votes out of more than 6 million cast. But questions about the uncounted votes lingered.


Almost a year after that cliffhanger conclusion, a media-sponsored review of the more than 175,000 disputed ballots underscored that the prize of the U.S. presidency came down to an almost unimaginably small number of votes.

The new data, compiled by The Associated Press and seven other news organizations, also suggested that Gore followed a legal strategy after Election Day that would have led to defeat even if it had not been rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court. Gore sought a recount of a relatively small portion of the state's disputed ballots while the review indicates his only chance lay in a course he advocated publicly but did not pursue in court -- a full statewide recount of all Florida's untallied votes....
http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberal...20011113.asp#2

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The Florida re-count released late Sunday night by the consortium of CNN and several newspapers determined that George W. Bush still would have won under either legally possible re-count scenario which could have occurred: The Florida Supreme Court ordered re-count of undervotes statewide or Gore’s request for a re-count in certain counties.
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The Slate article (http://slate.msn.com/?id=2058793) argues that if the overvotes were counted and went to Gore, he probably won, with a margin of 42 to 171 votes, but this wouldn't have been legal as has been already pointed out.


So the charge against MM stands, he is great at spinning and not presenting ALL the evidence.

As he did in "Bowling", he is laying a path to an erroneous conclusion, in this case, that Gore would have won the election in any recount, while ignoring the truth.
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