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Old 06-24-2004, 11:35 AM   #54 (permalink)
Zeld2.0
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Originally posted by powerclown
And then what? Say all vestiges of the western world are removed from the arab world. Are you implying that they just want to be left alone and live in peace? I don't buy it. The world is about Power, who has it and who doesn't, and how they interrelate based on the fact. Period. I say, that if they ever get a foothold god forbid, that they won't for a minute hesitate to spread their own medieval vision of How Things Should Be, globally. I say, stop the barbarians at the gates now, and do not under any circumstances give them free rein over the rest of the civilized world. They can join the rest of us after they have proven themselves peace-seeking, civil and cooperative. We see how they run things over there already, and its out of step with the modern world. THEY are the ones who need reform, they are the ones on the wrong side of history, and they are the ones who are going to continue to seethe and suffer and terrorize until they themselves decide to change.

Why are all the nations in the middle east either outdated Patriarchal dictatorships, or run by Secular tyrants, or run by religious Fundamentalists (except Democratic Israel, which continues to be productive and prosperous despite being surrounded by mortal enemies)? Why did the Communist Soviet Union die? Why are people drawn to the Democratic USA from around the world? GIVEN A CHOICE, people choose freedom over slavery.
Uh, wake up call here.

Most of the world is still under tyrants or democracies that are really run by strong men.

Yes indeed look in your own backyard - Latin America is even like that.

In fact, traditionally, society has been run by strong men and the elite. Heck, even capitalism is a similar system where the ones who get ahead are at the top.

And hello, since when did the Middle East suddenly go for world domination? Last few wars of world domination have been in Europe.

If you mean economic domination by oil, fine.

But by power and military means? Yeah, I really see a fleet of ships (if they even have one) sailing and landing on the coast of America.

Please, this sounds more like paranoia - barbarian at the gates?

Last I saw, there were none banging on the gates of America. Medieval world? Sheesh.

I don't think we're in the same worlds here - heck Iraq was the most western of the nations in the Middle East. And we went after them.

You might be an American but that doesn't mean the rest of the world is American or believes in the American ideal of democracy. Nations like Russia are STRUGGLING in democracy because they have lived under tyrants for over millenia!

China is the same. They head towards democracy but they still have strong men ruling the place because that has been their tradition.

Do humans seek to be free? Yes. But freedom does not mean you don't live under tyrans. And tyrants dont mean their totalitarian. Totalitarian is trying to control every aspect of life. Tyrants may or may not. Do I wish everyone nation could be a democracy? Yes.

But realisitcally, it's not going to happen.
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