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I've been discussing them, haven't I?
I'm not interested in debating them point-for-point or in the manner in which they have been set out. There is more to discussion than debate. There is the statement of personal views, the opportunity to be exposed to the views of others, and so forth. This and other threads here are here for debate for those who enjoy that sort of thing and they are also here for the other reasons I've stated as well as some that have not been stated.
As for the other point. I used the words "can render you" so as to avoid a blanket assertion.
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