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thebiz i completely agree with you, if guys learn how to be attractive, fun, and interesting that's great. It is also fair for women to be regected if say they were to ask a guy out. I just think it's a different situation if you lead them on by sleeping with them, or fooling around with them, etc. This is the only part i have a problem with. When a girl regects a guy as you described it is in the beginning, she nips it in the bud, while these tips often keep the girl around as long as possible to get what the guy wants, then the girl is blown off. And by that point, strong feelings are probably involved. It is definitly posible to argue that women do the same thing, and i'm sure they do, i personally am just more familiar with guy behavour in this situation. It's just unfourtunate that we are all so bitter and we play games and let it affect innocent people. You guys are not bad guys and i'm sorry if it came out that way, i beleive that under the surface you're nice guys...and the "nice guy" thing is what you are trying to avoid. But maybe instead of leading on all the girls you get with these tips you could be relativly honest with what you want from them and which you are actually interested in, intead of thinking about how many numbers you can score. I don't disagree with this whole thread, as i mentioned earlier. I just think that guys can get this success with women without breaking as many hearts, or being as manipulating. If this thread is working for you, and you are happy with your life then that is great. I just hope, under it all you don't hate women and this isn't some plan to get back at them for hurting you. I'm not trying to destroy this thread or say that it is all garbage, i'm just asking that you go about it with a little compassion even if you haven't gotten it in the past. It's a different girl this time, it's not the one that hurt you, so give her a fair chance.
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