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hilbert25 · 05-10-2004, 08:53 PM

I will not discuss at what point a clump of cells changes into a form of life, it's really hard, and science will always be able to bring the point at which the cells can live outside the mother earlier. However, if it is just a clump of cells then currently our laws have inconsistencies. For example, you can get vehicular manslaughter if by your actions, when driving a car you cause an accident where a mother loses a baby. Yet, if it's just a clump of cells, how could this possibly be right?

In fact, according to some of the arguments, would the person who just committed the crime just done that mother to be a favor by removing a parasite from her body?

And the argument that the government has no right to tell you how to use your body is flawed. The sole purpose of laws are to tell people what to do with their body's and minds. I can murder someone with my body, but the government tells me that is wrong. I can be nude in public, I can be a prostitute, and I can trespass, but those things are all illegal. Those are all occasions where the government tells me what to do with my body: cover it, keep it from having sex, or keep it away from some arbitrarily divided place.

I will agree that there are circumstances where abortion will save the mother from injury or death, and that is definitely a valid reason. And although I don't personally agree with it, having an abortion after a rape also has some merit.

But ending someone else's potential life for your own comfort is not a valid reason in my mind. I will not hate anyone who does such a thing, I have and will do what I can to support anyone I know who has made that choice, but I fell that society is wrong for allowing it to happen.

How come adoption is never really talked about? If you cannot keep the child, put it up for adoption rather than killing it. A life that seems like it would suck to you is infinitely better than no life at all.

And Stompy, you asked about late term abortions being illegal. They are in fact very legal, check out a google search on "Partial Birth Abortion." If you can provide an argument as to why that should be allowed, I would be open to hearing it.

05-10-2004, 08:53 PM	#67 (permalink)
hilbert25 Psycho Location: nOvA	I will not discuss at what point a clump of cells changes into a form of life, it's really hard, and science will always be able to bring the point at which the cells can live outside the mother earlier. However, if it is just a clump of cells then currently our laws have inconsistencies. For example, you can get vehicular manslaughter if by your actions, when driving a car you cause an accident where a mother loses a baby. Yet, if it's just a clump of cells, how could this possibly be right? In fact, according to some of the arguments, would the person who just committed the crime just done that mother to be a favor by removing a parasite from her body? And the argument that the government has no right to tell you how to use your body is flawed. The sole purpose of laws are to tell people what to do with their body's and minds. I can murder someone with my body, but the government tells me that is wrong. I can be nude in public, I can be a prostitute, and I can trespass, but those things are all illegal. Those are all occasions where the government tells me what to do with my body: cover it, keep it from having sex, or keep it away from some arbitrarily divided place. I will agree that there are circumstances where abortion will save the mother from injury or death, and that is definitely a valid reason. And although I don't personally agree with it, having an abortion after a rape also has some merit. But ending someone else's potential life for your own comfort is not a valid reason in my mind. I will not hate anyone who does such a thing, I have and will do what I can to support anyone I know who has made that choice, but I fell that society is wrong for allowing it to happen. How come adoption is never really talked about? If you cannot keep the child, put it up for adoption rather than killing it. A life that seems like it would suck to you is infinitely better than no life at all. And Stompy, you asked about late term abortions being illegal. They are in fact very legal, check out a google search on "Partial Birth Abortion." If you can provide an argument as to why that should be allowed, I would be open to hearing it.