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Old 04-03-2004, 03:46 AM   #67 (permalink)
John Henry
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Originally posted by Xothan
I believe in both God and evolution, because if find it pretty difficult to believe that a great big swirling cloud of matter (The Big Bang) managed BY CHANCE to coalesce into universes, and that on hot chunk of rock, those same atoms of matter managed to become everything that exists on this fine planet we call home without some divine direction. It just doesn't seem plausible that out of all the diverse forms of life on this planet, apes alone managed to evolve into humans. Dolphins are just as smart as those apes, why isn't there an intelligent race of sea-dwellers?

Who knows? We may be some divine godling's version of a sea monkey kit...add water and in a couple billion years you have a solar system with real live creatures on it...(this kind of goes back to the argument that we all may be plugged into the matrix) I say that you can really never ever know, you just gotta believe in whatever floats your boat.

Xothan
This argument is self-contradictory. Essentialy, if we break it down, you seem to be saying:

1) The universe displays complexity, such as intelligent beings.
2) Complexity requires intelligent design.
3) The universe must have been designed by an intelligent being.

That's fine as it stands, but it's self-negating. By your argument that anything as complex as an intelligent being must have been created by another intelligent being, the same goes for God and whatever created him and whatever created that, so on ad infinitum. Do you really think tht something as complex as the universe couldn't come into existence spontaneously, but something complex enough to create it could.

Maybe there is an infinite string of ever more complex Gods who all created each other. Or perhaps it's more likely that they all loop round in a big mobius strip that starts and ends with us creating God.

Also, there is an intelligent race of sea-dwellers. They're called 'dolphins'. If you prefer, there are also 'giant squid' and probably some other freaky clever things down at the bottom of the abbys. If you mean, why don't all other intelligent creatures look and behave like humans in every respect, there are two reasons for that:

1) If they did, we wouldn't know they were a different race anyway, because they would look and behave just like humans.

2) Why should they? Other species evolve to adapt to their own environment and there's more than one way to skin a cat.

To quote one of the 20th centurie's fgreatest philosophers, the dear departed Douglas Adams

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BOOK: ...Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much... the wheel, New York, wars, and so on, whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely the dolphins believed themselves to be more intelligent than man for precisely the same reasons.
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