i'm not perfectly certain how i came upon TFP, but there is a decent chance it was from Fark. I still lurk on Fark occassionally, but i go there for reasons commpletely different than those i come to TFP for. their boards are entertaining, but you just can't escape from the flame wars and constant joking. TFP seems to have a good mix of that and more pithy discussions.
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If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
~ Winston Churchill
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