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pan6467 · 03-22-2004, 02:23 PM

this is something I wrote in another forum that covers this issue pretty well..............................
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I don't understand something. While not forgotten why is the Holocaust brought up to justify everything Isreal does? 6 Million died, yes but the governments responsible and the people responsible were tried and are no longer relevant in anyone sane's life let alone any government.
And by the by, there were a lot of CATHOLICS, HOMOSEXUALS, SCHOLARS, AND SO ON KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST NOT JUST JEWS.

Isreal would be nothing if not for US and UK support, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR AND NOTHING IN RETURN EXCEPT HATRED FROM THE REST OF THE MIDDLE EAST, WHO BELIEVE WE ARE OUT TO CONQUER THE WORLD, AND HATRED FROM ISREAL, WHO BELIEVES WE NEED TO DO MORE. Yet, despite all our help, they keep killing instead of trying terrorists. The US and UK turn blind eyes and Isreal just makes the situation worse by creating martyrs.

Not trying to sound anti-semitic, because I'm truly not, but killing people and treating people as sub-citizens as they do to the Palestinians, is that not what Hitler's Germany and Holocaust did to the Jews? If they were truly a peaceful people and wanting peace, would Isreal not strive for it?

I'm sorry but as far as I'm concerned the US needs to pull out of the Middle East 100% AND THAT INCLUDES ISREAL and tend to ourselves. We need and want the oil, ok we make trade agreements but no more interfering in ANYONE'S POLITICS OVER THERE UNTIL THEY ALL START ACTING LIKE ADULTS AND NOT CHILDREN WITH DEADLY WEAPONS BEATING UP ON EACH OTHER.

It's like how some police officers describe answering most domestics. The man or woman can be beating the other to Hell, but as soon as the officer gets there they stop and turn the anger onto him/her. That's what we have in that region and it since it won't end, WE NEED TO JUST STOP SUPPORTING IT BY NOT SENDING ANY TAX DOLLARS THERE.

Have a feeling, within a year of no US/UK monies coming in the Isreali government will be making sure there is peace over there.
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I firmly believe taking away ALL AID AND MONEY and Isreal will truly show who they are. Friend or foe. Isreal will either strive for peace or turn on us.

I STRONGLY URGE EVERYONE TO READ JACK BERNSTEIN'S "AN AMERICAN JEW IN MARXIST-RACIST ISREAL". THE BEST READ OVER THIS SITUATION I HAVE EVER READ.

HERE'S A LINK: http://christianparty.net/sephardic.htm

BERNSTEIN WAS KILLED BY THE ISREALI MOSSAD AFTER THIS WAS WRITTEN AND I HAVE NOT FOUND ONE PERSON FROM ISREAL OR PRO-ISREALI WHO EVER DEBATED THIS. THEY JUST THROW OUT WORDS LIKE LIARS AND ANTI-SEMITE AND SO ON.

If someone here knows of a true rebuttal or has one, that is FACT BASED I am open to reading it and perhaps changing my opinion. But, I fear that will not come to light. I'll be attacked as flaming an argument, and pictured as an anti-semite spreading hateful anti semitic and anti-Isreali propaganda among other untruthful things AND/OR I and the challenge to show the truth will be ignored, either way it adds credence to the arguments made on my side.

03-22-2004, 02:23 PM	#28 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	this is something I wrote in another forum that covers this issue pretty well.............................. ============================================== I don't understand something. While not forgotten why is the Holocaust brought up to justify everything Isreal does? 6 Million died, yes but the governments responsible and the people responsible were tried and are no longer relevant in anyone sane's life let alone any government. And by the by, there were a lot of CATHOLICS, HOMOSEXUALS, SCHOLARS, AND SO ON KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST NOT JUST JEWS. Isreal would be nothing if not for US and UK support, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR AND NOTHING IN RETURN EXCEPT HATRED FROM THE REST OF THE MIDDLE EAST, WHO BELIEVE WE ARE OUT TO CONQUER THE WORLD, AND HATRED FROM ISREAL, WHO BELIEVES WE NEED TO DO MORE. Yet, despite all our help, they keep killing instead of trying terrorists. The US and UK turn blind eyes and Isreal just makes the situation worse by creating martyrs. Not trying to sound anti-semitic, because I'm truly not, but killing people and treating people as sub-citizens as they do to the Palestinians, is that not what Hitler's Germany and Holocaust did to the Jews? If they were truly a peaceful people and wanting peace, would Isreal not strive for it? I'm sorry but as far as I'm concerned the US needs to pull out of the Middle East 100% AND THAT INCLUDES ISREAL and tend to ourselves. We need and want the oil, ok we make trade agreements but no more interfering in ANYONE'S POLITICS OVER THERE UNTIL THEY ALL START ACTING LIKE ADULTS AND NOT CHILDREN WITH DEADLY WEAPONS BEATING UP ON EACH OTHER. It's like how some police officers describe answering most domestics. The man or woman can be beating the other to Hell, but as soon as the officer gets there they stop and turn the anger onto him/her. That's what we have in that region and it since it won't end, WE NEED TO JUST STOP SUPPORTING IT BY NOT SENDING ANY TAX DOLLARS THERE. Have a feeling, within a year of no US/UK monies coming in the Isreali government will be making sure there is peace over there. ============================================== I firmly believe taking away ALL AID AND MONEY and Isreal will truly show who they are. Friend or foe. Isreal will either strive for peace or turn on us. I STRONGLY URGE EVERYONE TO READ JACK BERNSTEIN'S "AN AMERICAN JEW IN MARXIST-RACIST ISREAL". THE BEST READ OVER THIS SITUATION I HAVE EVER READ. HERE'S A LINK: http://christianparty.net/sephardic.htm BERNSTEIN WAS KILLED BY THE ISREALI MOSSAD AFTER THIS WAS WRITTEN AND I HAVE NOT FOUND ONE PERSON FROM ISREAL OR PRO-ISREALI WHO EVER DEBATED THIS. THEY JUST THROW OUT WORDS LIKE LIARS AND ANTI-SEMITE AND SO ON. If someone here knows of a true rebuttal or has one, that is FACT BASED I am open to reading it and perhaps changing my opinion. But, I fear that will not come to light. I'll be attacked as flaming an argument, and pictured as an anti-semite spreading hateful anti semitic and anti-Isreali propaganda among other untruthful things AND/OR I and the challenge to show the truth will be ignored, either way it adds credence to the arguments made on my side. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" Last edited by pan6467; 03-22-2004 at 02:25 PM..