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pan6467 · 03-18-2004, 03:58 PM

Backpedalling and even lying to the public to some degree is ok. I would rather have someone in any public office sidestep, backpedal and avoid an issue than to give away public safety. However, when in war we need the truth no matter how lame ( then it is up to the public to decide in elections how long the war continues) since it is our children, our neighbors, our friends over there putting thier lives on the line. THEY NEED THE TRUTH!!!!!!!! We need the truth because it affects our lives and our dignity as a nation.

Unfortunately, that is not what the Bush Administration is doing at all. They are flat out lying to the people and have lied 3 times (and we'll see about this the fourth reason) over a war.

First they said he was harboring terrorists. NO PROOF AND IT WAS DENIED HAVING EVER BEEN SAID.

They then went to WMD and we had to stop him. NO PROOF AND AGAIN DENIED EVER SAYING OR IMPLYING YET POWELL TESTIFIED BEFORE THE UN.

Their third try was "imminent threat". AGAIN NO PRROF, NO SUBSTANTIAL OR UNSUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN ANYWAY. THEN THEY DENIED EVER SAYING OR IMPLYING "IMMINENT THREAT".

Finally, their latest excuse is "humanitarian need, Saddam was evil and we needed to get rid of him for his people". WHILE PROVEABLE, THAT DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHY WE HAVE LET OTHER DICTATORS JUST AS BAD STAY IN POWER UNTOUCHED. THIS IS ALSO THE LAMEST OF EXCUSES.

The point is THEY KEEP LYING AND TRYING TO COVER UP THE LAST LIE. If this were Clinton the GOP would have rightfully impeached him and he'd be out of office and possibly facing treason. Yet, Bush remains unscathed as the GOP does everything to stop a true Congressional investigation. Thier talking heads sit there and berate anyone questioning the war.

WE NEED TO QUESTION THIS WAR BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ON THE LINES NEED THE TRUTH, WE NEED THE TRUTH OR WE ARE JUST AS GUILTY OF AGRESSION AND GREED. WE NEED THE TRUTH SO THAT WE, THE PEOPLE CAN DECIDE IF WE NEED TO BE THERE OR NOT.

And before some GOP person claims that I am saying the government can't wage war without the people's approval and therefore that hurts us. I say baloney. Iraq did not attack us, could not attack us and for the most part was never a threat to anyone. If we are attacked we need to fight back but invading countries for false reasons is NOT A DEFENSE IT IS AN OFFENSE AND SHOWS THE REST OF THE WORLD THAT WE WANT TO TAKE OVER.

03-18-2004, 03:58 PM	#23 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	Backpedalling and even lying to the public to some degree is ok. I would rather have someone in any public office sidestep, backpedal and avoid an issue than to give away public safety. However, when in war we need the truth no matter how lame ( then it is up to the public to decide in elections how long the war continues) since it is our children, our neighbors, our friends over there putting thier lives on the line. THEY NEED THE TRUTH!!!!!!!! We need the truth because it affects our lives and our dignity as a nation. Unfortunately, that is not what the Bush Administration is doing at all. They are flat out lying to the people and have lied 3 times (and we'll see about this the fourth reason) over a war. First they said he was harboring terrorists. NO PROOF AND IT WAS DENIED HAVING EVER BEEN SAID. They then went to WMD and we had to stop him. NO PROOF AND AGAIN DENIED EVER SAYING OR IMPLYING YET POWELL TESTIFIED BEFORE THE UN. Their third try was "imminent threat". AGAIN NO PRROF, NO SUBSTANTIAL OR UNSUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN ANYWAY. THEN THEY DENIED EVER SAYING OR IMPLYING "IMMINENT THREAT". Finally, their latest excuse is "humanitarian need, Saddam was evil and we needed to get rid of him for his people". WHILE PROVEABLE, THAT DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHY WE HAVE LET OTHER DICTATORS JUST AS BAD STAY IN POWER UNTOUCHED. THIS IS ALSO THE LAMEST OF EXCUSES. The point is THEY KEEP LYING AND TRYING TO COVER UP THE LAST LIE. If this were Clinton the GOP would have rightfully impeached him and he'd be out of office and possibly facing treason. Yet, Bush remains unscathed as the GOP does everything to stop a true Congressional investigation. Thier talking heads sit there and berate anyone questioning the war. WE NEED TO QUESTION THIS WAR BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ON THE LINES NEED THE TRUTH, WE NEED THE TRUTH OR WE ARE JUST AS GUILTY OF AGRESSION AND GREED. WE NEED THE TRUTH SO THAT WE, THE PEOPLE CAN DECIDE IF WE NEED TO BE THERE OR NOT. And before some GOP person claims that I am saying the government can't wage war without the people's approval and therefore that hurts us. I say baloney. Iraq did not attack us, could not attack us and for the most part was never a threat to anyone. If we are attacked we need to fight back but invading countries for false reasons is NOT A DEFENSE IT IS AN OFFENSE AND SHOWS THE REST OF THE WORLD THAT WE WANT TO TAKE OVER. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"