Thread: One year of war
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Old 03-13-2004, 12:30 AM   #12 (permalink)
Strange Famous
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If America had ousted Saddam Hussain in 1991, if it was their intention to oust him, then they would have saved not only the lives of the Iraqi's who have been killed by Ba'arth party loyalists in the last 12 years, but also the estimated 1 to 1.5 million killed by the American sanctions. So let us never allow ourselves to think we did this for the good of the Iraqi people, let us never allow people to claim this was a humaniterian mission - because this is nothing but a disgusting lie.

Saddam Hussain was corrupt and violent and beyond doubt his government was tyranical and did carry out campaigns of murder - but these stories about "1000's of Iraqi's being killed every week by Hussain" are lies, they are simply not true statements. When you ask the people who make them to back them up, you suddenly find that actually they are including the casualties of the Iran - Iraq war as being "murdered by Saddam" - we see that the figures are meaningless. Hussain certainly has been responsible for 1000's of deaths, and his mismanagement and the corruption of his state has lead to a million deaths by starvation and deprivation caused by the American sponsored UN sanctions.

The situation in Iraq now is very dangerous, there are at least 3 factions who want to rule Iraq, and the most likely form it the state will take when it is left alone is a radical, anti semite, anti American islamic state, filled with the orphans of the American terror attack on Iraq... this is not how you make the world safe.

There were no WMD's this is a fact, we know now that no significant stockpiles of these weapons existed, that the Iraqi chemical weapons programm was puny and insignificant.

Ustwo's inability even to understand the meaning of the word "communist" really does go to show how fruitless it can be to debate with some people, they are not willing even to consider another world view to that which the capitalist media force feeds them - "Saddam was a monster, he murdered millions of Iraqi's personally, the Iraqi's all welcome America and love America and are grateful that America has bombed their country for the last 13 years only a tiny minority of Al Qeida terrorists are opposing American colonial war, anyone who wants peace of opposes imperialism is a communist, all communists are Stalinist's who want to send anyone who loves freedom to the gulag"....

This is what the media forces down people's throats, and some people genuinely do believe it.

The fact is that Iraq is at the point of all out war breaking out, the people ay have mostly hated Hussain but they hate the American's just as much, the war was based on a lie and on its stated objectives was a failure. We know that Hussain was America's man in the middle east until the late 80's, that they helped arm him, that they supported him, that they loved him because he was not an Islamic fundamentalist... all this concern for the Iraqi people and what they have suffered under his repressive dictatorship is nausiating hypocrisy. If your concern was the Iraqi people, then America would have supported the Kurdish and Shi-ite lead rebellion in 1991 - rather than making them believe they would support them and then abandoning them and allowing the rebellion to be bloodily put down by the Iraqi armed forces. We know that America then did not care in the slightest about the people of Iraq. We know now that what they care about is Iraqi oil, the first objectives of the war were to capture the oil fields, the laughable excuse being "to prevent the Iraqi's from setting fire to their own oil supplies!!!!"...

The way you defeat someone like Saddam Hussain is by removing the conditions that allow him to exist, by improving the social condition of the people of Iraq, by culture, by trade, by yourself offering an example of democracy - to claim you make people safer by starving and bombing them for a decade, and then invading their country, murdering or imprisoning all of their rulers and installing your own is simply a lie - if we want to talk about mental illness, I would personally ascribe to anyone who still, after all that history teaches us, believes in the good of paternal imperialistic conquest as incapable of reason, unable to understand, without the ability to see basic truth.

The Iraqi people are now being killed by jumpy American soldiers, American bombs and warring factions rather than Saddam Hussain, the Iraqi people are now being robbed and disinherited by American corporations rather than Ba'arthist capitalists - their condition has not improved, we know that the figures that the hard Right and the mass media tout about our not true, the death rate is not dropping it is increasing, more people in Iraq today live with the risk of death than they did under Hussain - the Iraqi people hate America, and Britain, and for every mother some GI shoots by accident, for every family you slaughter with a misguided bomb... you create the suicide bombers of tomorrow, you bring the world closer to danger, the spectacle of the nucler mushroom in London or New York gets nearer and nearer... the policy of America does is not only destroying Iraq, is not only a torture to the Iraqi people, it is a threat to all humanity. Honestly, the UK and the US no longer stand as a part of the community of civilised nations, when you reach a point where you are willing and in fact do use violence against another nation state merely to appropriate the natural resources of that state, you no longer belong in the community of nations.

And all the excuses for the war... the link to Al Qeida and 9/11 - this is a lie, we know that Al Qeida and Hussain hated each other, Bin Laden always thought Hussain was an infidel.

The WMD argument, was a lie, and was known by those with true understanding to always be a lie. Iraq's WMD programms was one of the weakest in the world. if America hate nuclear weapons and biological and chemical poisons designed to be used as weapons as much as they claim, they will find very huge stores of all of these in their own nation...

To free the Iraqi people - a lie again, Hussain was always a butcher, why did no one want to save the Iraqi people in 1989 when the alleged chemical attacks on the Kurds happened (I say alleged not because I dispute that they happened, but because it is not known if Iran or Iraq carried them out)... why did American not even make any formal protest or condemnation against Hussain when this happened? Oh yeah... I forgot, the customer is always right, right?
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