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Thagrastay · 03-01-2004, 12:57 PM

The thinking that "All roads lead to Rome" (pardon the geographic reference, please), really is a dangerous one in the theology mix. The "God" of Islam is not the "G*D" of Judaism and Christianity by a longshot. Allah and Jehovah are two very distinct beings. Allah was the Arabic God of the Moon- one of dozens of Arabic tribal gods that were worshipped along the trade routes and especially in Mecca. Mohammed was an illiterate man who was contacted by an Angel who represented this particular god who encouraged him to get rid of the other tribal gods and unify the Arabic dieties into one religious system and diety-that of Islam. After this all took place, Mohammed took his ideas to the Jews and Catholics living in the area and got their input into it all and it was their ideas that he incorporated into the tenets os Islam. If you read the Koran you can see the heavy catholic influence there. The jews wanted nothing to do with any idea of adding this foreign god to their religion and they let Mohammed know so in no uncertain terms, as did the catholics, but he found a little bit more of a kinship there than he did with Judaism.
If you read Joseph Smith's account of Mormonism and his exploits with the angel Moroni, you will find similarities to Mohammed and Gabriel. The point to Islam is that Mohammed didn't write a single bit of it and none of the original documents he supposedly dictated exist. All the extent manuscripts of the Koran today are not originals, but are re-written and interpretations. Just like the Mormon documents. For relatively new religions, this is a sad state of affairs.
Jesus, the Christ stated flatly and unequivocally that "no one can come to the Father except through me." The scriptures also go on to state that "There is but one name which is given under heaven through which salvation is possible and that is Christ our Lord". This is pretty clear and exclusive territory. Throughout History, many have come saying they know the way, But Yeshua, Jesus was the only one until contemporary times who came saying He IS the way. Despite what the Vatican says or doesn't say. there is what the Bible says about Jesus. Since the Vatican supposedly derives it's Authority from the Bible, the Bible, you would think, supercedes the Vatican. Or does it? that's the real question Catholics have to ask themselves- Does Jesus outrank the Pope?
This is the quandry of western religions- not only, where does the truth lie, but just how much crap can human beings heap on each other in the name of God?
The Taliban is a great example of that when it comes to the Koran. David Koresh and Jim Jones are shining examples of it when it comes to Christianity. The Crusades, Dark Ages and the The Inquisition are wonderful examples of it for Catholicism. And during Jesus Time, He constantly referred to the Scribes and Pharisees and Saducees and hypocrites, and snakes and vipers who loaded down their follwers with so many rules and regulations that they made them twice as fit for hell as they were themselves. I wonder, If Yeshua were to meet a Bishop today how he would respond...

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Thagrastay Crazy Location: Handrail, Montana	The thinking that "All roads lead to Rome" (pardon the geographic reference, please), really is a dangerous one in the theology mix. The "God" of Islam is not the "G*D" of Judaism and Christianity by a longshot. Allah and Jehovah are two very distinct beings. Allah was the Arabic God of the Moon- one of dozens of Arabic tribal gods that were worshipped along the trade routes and especially in Mecca. Mohammed was an illiterate man who was contacted by an Angel who represented this particular god who encouraged him to get rid of the other tribal gods and unify the Arabic dieties into one religious system and diety-that of Islam. After this all took place, Mohammed took his ideas to the Jews and Catholics living in the area and got their input into it all and it was their ideas that he incorporated into the tenets os Islam. If you read the Koran you can see the heavy catholic influence there. The jews wanted nothing to do with any idea of adding this foreign god to their religion and they let Mohammed know so in no uncertain terms, as did the catholics, but he found a little bit more of a kinship there than he did with Judaism. If you read Joseph Smith's account of Mormonism and his exploits with the angel Moroni, you will find similarities to Mohammed and Gabriel. The point to Islam is that Mohammed didn't write a single bit of it and none of the original documents he supposedly dictated exist. All the extent manuscripts of the Koran today are not originals, but are re-written and interpretations. Just like the Mormon documents. For relatively new religions, this is a sad state of affairs. Jesus, the Christ stated flatly and unequivocally that "no one can come to the Father except through me." The scriptures also go on to state that "There is but one name which is given under heaven through which salvation is possible and that is Christ our Lord". This is pretty clear and exclusive territory. Throughout History, many have come saying they know the way, But Yeshua, Jesus was the only one until contemporary times who came saying He IS the way. Despite what the Vatican says or doesn't say. there is what the Bible says about Jesus. Since the Vatican supposedly derives it's Authority from the Bible, the Bible, you would think, supercedes the Vatican. Or does it? that's the real question Catholics have to ask themselves- Does Jesus outrank the Pope? This is the quandry of western religions- not only, where does the truth lie, but just how much crap can human beings heap on each other in the name of God? The Taliban is a great example of that when it comes to the Koran. David Koresh and Jim Jones are shining examples of it when it comes to Christianity. The Crusades, Dark Ages and the The Inquisition are wonderful examples of it for Catholicism. And during Jesus Time, He constantly referred to the Scribes and Pharisees and Saducees and hypocrites, and snakes and vipers who loaded down their follwers with so many rules and regulations that they made them twice as fit for hell as they were themselves. I wonder, If Yeshua were to meet a Bishop today how he would respond... __________________ "That's it! They've got the cuffs on him, he's IN the car!"