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Why attack Sikhs?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by genuinemommy, Aug 5, 2012.

  1. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    It's all over the news, the shooting in a Milwaukee suburb at a house of worship for the Sikh community, during the busiest service. They're calling it a result of "Domestic Terrorism."
    What I can't get my mind around is why anyone would commit such an obvious hate crime against such a peace-loving group of people. The Sikh faith revolves around praying for world peace. A monothiestic offshoot of Hinduism, these people have never shown a history of violence or aggression. Here in the US you often see turbon-clad Sihks marching in peace rallies and standing up for religious freedom for all religions (They stand alongside Christians, Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Jehovah's Witnesses - any whose faith is oppressed, wherever they are). These are an intrinsically peaceful people. I don't get it. Why would anyone attack a Sikh?
     
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  2. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    I haven't the foggiest idea. I also don't know why they are labeling this as domestic terrorism so quickly when the a more violent act in Aurora was not.

    It is very sad to have heard this today.
     
  3. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    My initial thought is that the ignorant equate them with Muslims. Apparently attacks on Sikhs increased after 9/11. Bearded turban-wearer = Muslim ?
     
  4. AlterMoose

    AlterMoose Slightly Tilted

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    I wish I had some input. I don't want insight. It just broke my heart when I heard about it earlier today. The thought that something like this can happen turns my stomach. I don't know who's taking credit, but does anyone else suspect it was done in the name of a just and righteous God?
     
  5. Why attack anyone?
     
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  6. redux

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    That was my initial reaction as well for the same reason...ignorance or fear of the unfamiliar. Attacks against Sikhs have increased over the last 10 years, as have acts of vandalism and discrimination..often accompanied with anti-Muslims slurs.

    As to labeling it as domestic terrorism, again on initial reaction, it would appear to be religiously (or politically) motivated which fits within the definition of domestic terrorism, as opposed to the more random Aurora violence.
     
  7. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

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    Ugh, another tragedy.

    At least a cop was around to end it.

    I do love all the pointless buzzwords... like it somehow matters. When a "quiet and nerdy" "lone wolf" "domestic terrorist" decides to pick up an "assault weapon" and become an "active shooter" at a gathering place, does it really matter if it's a house of worship or a school or a shopping mall?

    Is this an act of "domestic terrorism" because it was dark-on-dark action or what? I'm confused here.

    When white people kill each other they're usually just loonies, not terrorists.

    You can't make sense of crazy.
     
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  8. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/06/us/shooting-reported-at-temple-in-wisconsin.html
    "In what the police called an act of domestic terrorism, a gunman opened fire in a Sikh temple here on Sunday, killing at least six worshipers and injuring three others before being shot and killed in the parking lot."

    Why is this being labeled as Domestic Terrorism and the Aurora shooting not?
     
  9. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    I disagree.

    It has nothing to do with race. It does appear to have something to do with religion unlike Aurora

    OKC was also domestic terrorism. Madness with a message is the distinction between domestic terrorism and random violence.
     
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  10. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    Really? So Aurora didn't have a message? Columbine didn't have a message?
     
  11. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

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    redux,

    Meh, I'm pretty numb to mass shootings with body counts below a dozen. And "madness with a message," huh? Is that like Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold's video diary? Maybe Seung-Hui Cho's tape? All these motherfuckers have messages. You can argue bullshit terminology all you want, it's just today's silly buzzword for the relentless bogeyman the government so desperately needs to protect us from by slowly stripping away our civil rights.

    /USA PATRIOT Act'd
     
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  12. redux

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    Was the intent of the message religious or political? Or targeted at a particular group?
     
  13. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

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    Columbine fits both of those categories. Punk rock politics as per their manifesto. Target was a bunch of kids in a particular clique.

    Domestic terorrism'd!

    Oh, wait... pre-9/11.

    Buzzwords'd!
     
  14. redux

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    I am simply point the distinction under law.
     
  15. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

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    *channeling DKSuddeth*

    And I'm just pointing out that these labels are fear tactics used by the establishment to hype up a nutjob that doesn't deserve that much street cred.

    Terminology like this is Orwellian and helps feed the "madness with a message" trolls.
     
  16. redux

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    Ah...so now I am trolling again?

    I suspect we disagree on hate crimes as well.

    I think there is a difference between a random murder and a murder based solely on race (or gender identity).
     
  17. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    This is why I have an issue with it. In order to compartmentalize it and understand it better we label it. I get that.

    I didn't hear him say you were trolling, but that kind of statement leads to trolling.

    Yes we disagree on hate crimes as well.
     
  18. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

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    redux,

    No, I'm just being an asshole because I can. And because Martian is taking TFP away from me at 0100.

    Anyway, fine... call this spree a hate crime. That would make more sense if it was different skin colors.
     
  19. redux

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    My mistake for misinterpreting:
    --- merged: Aug 6, 2012 at 12:48 AM ---
    I happen to agree with you on the broad interpretation of "domestic terrorism" since the Patriot Act and that hate crime might be more appropriate.

    But again, skin color is not the only criteria.....race, religion, sexual orientation, etc fit the definition as well.
     
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  20. news here is that the gunman had a 9/11 tattoo and that it was some sort of revenge attack on a supposedly muslim congregation.

    i kind of wish the police officer that shot him was just a carrying citizen that protected society by drawing his gun. That really would have fucked up the argument of those that were anti gun, after the whole Batman fiasco.
     
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