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What would society look like if nudity, sex, and porn were normal and violence was bad?

Discussion in 'Tilted Life and Sexuality' started by ASU2003, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    One of my memories growing up at around 9-12 years old was watching The Terminator with my Dad. Seeing Arnold shoot up the Police Station wasn't a problem, but seeing Sarah Connor in a G rated shaded 'sex' scene was awkward...shouldn't that be the opposite?

    Could you imagine if an X-Art style sex scene was in a major Hollywood movie and there was no FCC or 'family group' to complain about it?

    I do think the Internet has started to turn the tide a little on this, where boys can now see what they want, but I don't think it is quite 'socially acceptable' yet by any means.

    Would our cities turn into Amsterdam or Las Vegas if this happened? Would we have a lot more nude beaches and less violent crime? Would going into a sex store and talking about sex be just as easy as going into a gun store with friends?
     
  2. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    I'd love a world where sex is less of a taboo and violence is unheard of. Dang, that would be a great world.
    I think it would be more like Staden - Freetown Christiania - than Las Vegas.

    I've always had an opposite reaction from yours. I would cringe, hide my face, or walk out of the room during violence in movies. I still do. I have a difficult time being in the room with someone playing a violent video game. I can't play first-person shooters. But nudity made me giggle as a child. Hints of sensuality, kissing scenes, or sex scenes kept my interest. I would pretend not to look, but glance out of the corner of my eye - curious and fascinated.

    Hmmm. Something to think about when raising my child.
     
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  3. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Yeah, this is something I've never understood about the United States. I grew up not far from the Canadian border, and so we got both American TV and Canadian TV. Canadian TV in general was less violent and more sexualized, especially later in the evening. When I was in adolescence, that was WONDERFUL! They could show butts on TV and it wasn't the end of the world!

    I've actually had conservative coworkers tell me they would rather their kids see violence over sex. What the fuck? I'd rather my kids see love, thank you, and learn that sex is something that happens between two consenting people.
     
  4. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    Wait, really? What an odd perspective.
     
  5. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Toronto
    I think this is a rather complex issue that has no simple answers.

    On one hand, you can say it has roots in America's puritan history. The thing to remember, though, is that this isn't a distinctly American problem. On the other hand, you can say it's a reflection of our nature.

    On the latter point, some have made arguments that violence is more permissible for children to experience because they're hardwired to experience that first on a personal level. Conversely, sexuality is something that comes much later. Consider that three-year-olds or seven-year-olds or whatever are more prone to act violently than sexually. We'll see them fight amongst themselves. They'll play fight. They'll roleplay serious violence, etc. How many of them will act in an overtly sexualized manner? And how much of this is a reflection of their nature vs. influences in what they consume? While there will likely be actions that may be construed as tied into sexuality, they are perhaps much more subdued than the tendency towards violence.

    We expect a child's sexual maturity to occur much later than we'd expect them to be prone to violence actions.

    This confuses the issue of simply stating "I prefer love over violence." I do too. But at the same time, I don't think the simple inverse of that is preferring children to watch erotic videos instead of hyperviolent ones. I don't necessarily mean it's porn vs. Tarantino. It's even the case when it comes to the wider R-rated dramas/comedies vs. the R-rated action movies. Even within one or the other, you will often see both violence and sexuality unsuitable for young children. It then becomes a question of what is worse, the violence or the sexuality. I think they can both be problematic for children below a certain age.

    I really don't know how express my position other than that I think there is too much violence in media in general, whether directed at children or not. I do also think people overreact to certain rather mildly erotic sequences.

    And while violence certainly is a problem, I think we've also trended towards "oversexualiztion" in many arenas. Looking at movies, music, television, and even toys, you can see that society is more open to overt sexuality now than it was in the past. Compare the outrage in response to "Elvis the Pelvis" to much of what goes on in the music industry today.

    Like I said, this is a rather complex issue.
     
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  6. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    New York City
    oh it's complex...

    were you violent or sexual? damn, now I'm confused.



    For some reason I'm reminded of Henry Winkler's role in The One and Only as the wrestler known as The Lover.
    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj2QRNn8y0k
     
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  7. Fremen

    Fremen Allright, who stole my mustache?

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    E. Texas
    Maybe if I had grown up not having to view scrambled Cinemax, I wouldn't be so warped.
     
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  8. MeltedMetalGlob

    MeltedMetalGlob Resident Loser Donor

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    Dude, you too? Your post brought back some memories...
    [​IMG]
     
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  9. Lucifer Slightly Tilted

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    The Darkside
    For a guy growing up in Ontario in the 80's, it was the Italian movies on Saturday night tv. I got my parents to let me stay up late on Saturday night to watch Saturday Night Live, thus was a little teenage pervert created.
     
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  10. Wildandwonderfulwv

    Wildandwonderfulwv Vertical

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    West Virginia
    How is that odd? I'd pick sex anyday over someone being beat or stabbed to death in front of my kids.
     
  11. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    New York City
    Many people are squeamish about sex but are so desensitized by violence. Maybe it's the old Bugs Bunny mallet over the head slapstick but violence is definitely more common. My parents would fit into the violence is okay camp but sex... you won't want to talk about it.

    Shit my parents tried to get me to tell my little sister about sex. I told them, "That's not my yob mang!"
     
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  12. Stan

    Stan Resident Dumbass

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    Colorado
    Growing up, my daughters saw R rated movies before they saw PG-13 ones. Sex I can explain, mass murders and random violence, not so much.
     
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  13. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Baltimore/DC
    IMHO, it would be a beautiful thing. :cool:
     
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  14. aquafox

    aquafox Getting Tilted

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    Ibapah, UT
    I loved watching violent movies. I got to watch them all the time but had to close my eyes for anything dirty. - I'm now extremely non violent and sexual. Would watching dirty movies makes you less dirty as an adult?

    As for violence in movies- i don't see that as effecting normal people.

    For sexuality- i just want a world where nudity is acceptable.
     
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  15. Daniel_

    Daniel_ The devil made me do it...

    I hate having to explain to my daughter (12) that seeing people killed and hurt is considered acceptable, but seeing people kissing and in bed is socially unacceptable.

    She's just on the edge of Asperger's (yes, actual diagnosis, not parental excuse for bad behaviour) and she doesn't get how it is ok to see people hurt, but not loved.

    It's not especially unhealthy here, but you have it even worse in the colonies. :-(
     
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  16. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    Porn study scrapped as researchers can't find any young men who haven't seen it - Mirror Online

    Thanks to the Internet, it appears that porn is becoming much more widespread, yet for some reason even though everyone has or will seen it, even showing a boob for a split second during the half time show is still controversial...

    Mainly because it is secret and there is a problem with seeing nudity with parents or other people who might know. Some other countries have come to grips a little with that, but I'm not holding my breath on that happening in the US soon.
     
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  17. Indigo Kid

    Indigo Kid Getting Tilted

    It would be a lot like living in Denmark.

    They are down on violent movies and have a low crime rate. On the other hand, they seem to have an open mind toward life & sex.
     
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  18. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

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    The Windy City
    I don't mind the idea that some things are "risque" and "adult," but I totally agree, that should be violence, not sex. There is something so freakishly mind-fucked about letting your kids watch violence on TV, in movies, in video games-- all over the place-- but God forbid that that anyone under the age of 18 gets to see people's junk on TV, or depictions of people making love.

    We still really live under the Victorian delusion that children are innocent, and innocence must be preserved at all costs until a child comes of age (which we arbitrarily say happens at 18-- either far too late or a fair chunk too early, depending on how we define maturity). This idea is pure bullshit. If there's one thing I've learned as a teacher it's that kids are no fools, and they are not innocent-- they're just immature and inexperienced. Kids know that the stuff that adults try to shield them from exists, and for the most part, they're not all that interested in being blindly shielded. They want to understand, to know what's out there. The students I've had who are the most grounded, the most centered and mature for their ages, are the ones whose parents don't just try to pretend their kid doesn't have any interest in sex, or try to convince their kid that sex is "dirty;" the ones whose parents talk to them about violence, and make them media literate; the ones who, if they try to forbid their kids from something, take the time to tell the kid why, and what they are trying to prevent; and whose parents are flexible and willing to listen and not judge.

    The real problem isn't that stuff is or isn't permitted, or what is or isn't more widely censored, it's the fact that we don't educate ourselves and our kids about media, we don't talk to each other and to kids about the choices we make in media consumption, regulation, and censorship, and we not only allow a vast proportion of our media to come from a tiny handful of sources (thus severely limiting the spectrum of what's out there, what different kinds of media products there are to discuss and evaluate) but we permit our rules about media censorship to be made by politically pandering morality police, and that will never lead to healthy rules or results.
     
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