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This summer's weather: "This is what global warming looks like"

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Baraka_Guru, Jul 4, 2012.

  1. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    It's not the heat, it's the humidity!

    Yeah. Canada is a land of extremes. Extreme bitter cold in the winter, and extreme humid heat in the summer.

    It's getting worse, I think. Heat and/or smog and/or humidity advisories are on the rise, and this year is no exception. The summer has a long way to go, and it seems we've had many warnings in this region already. And you know what? We barely had a winter. While the U.S. just had its fourth warmest winter on record, Canada had its third warmest. They called it the winter that wasn't.

    What's more is that BC has recently been dumped on by rain for, like, evar! There's been flooding there. It's easing up, but more rain is on the way!

    Saskatchewan farmers had just finished cleaning up after a few twisters, and more have come!

    Not to mention wildfires everywhere!

    And WTF is happening in the U.S.? Those are some crazy storms!

    Is this normal? What's been going on in your area?

    People are talking, and they're saying global warming is to blame.

    Some are saying this is what global warming looks like. Some are saying this is just a preview.

    What do you think? I'm inclined to agree. It's been building up to this for a while now, and it will get worse before it gets better.

    The question is, when will public pressure force governments to take action? Will the private sector be of any help?

    Is this just Chicken Little? Is the sky not falling?

    Fire, drought, floods: Scientists call U.S. summer a global warming preview - thestar.com

    Global warming evident in extreme US weather patterns: scientist - The National

    The Arctic faces yet another deep meltdown this summer - Vancouver Sun
     
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  2. Alistair Eurotrash

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    It's July. It's raining. Again,

    Just STFU :p
     
  3. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Actually, it was this article that got me thinking about this: After wettest June, UK braces for more rain | UK news | guardian.co.uk

    I know shit's been happening around the world, but only just recently have I considered how bad it all is when you add it all up globally.

    I now know you guys in the U.K. just had your wettest June on record, having received double the average. Now they're saying you're to get a month's worth of rain over the next two days?!

    This, of course, is not long after the wettest April on record.

    Wow...don't float away! ;)

    There are also some interesting long-term changes, such as this (between Siberia and Finland): Global warming turns tundra to forest | News24: "But what we've found is that the shrubs that are already there are transforming into trees in just a few decades."
     
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  4. Pixel

    Pixel Getting Tilted

    Location:
    Missoura
    Here in Missouri, it's been two years of extremes in a row. Last year, we had record spring rainfall in the Mississippi river valley resulting in the Corps of Engineers having to blow a local levee to save towns downriver, but destroying a lot of local crops. One of our local recreational lakes overflowed, then destroyed a levee and the main road through the area. This year the opposite. Record high temperatures and record low rainfall. Local farmers are either irrigating 24/7 or just taking a loss on entire early crops and turning them in to their insurance companies.
     
  5. Alistair Eurotrash

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    This is what climate change looks like.

    Actually, if we were to become a rain forest, I could live with that :)
     
  6. MKOLLER

    MKOLLER Vertical

    Location:
    Susanville, CA
    The real question is: What action can the public and private sectors take? Most of the damage has already been done, and no amount of prevention or offset can nullify the past. The real solution is to reverse the damage, and if carbon dioxide and methane are the problems, then the solution is actually rather simple. Convert methane to carbon dioxide by using it as fuel. Convert carbon dioxide to oxygen by planting more trees and growing more algae.

    For those of you who are interested, google "Desert Rose Project." It's an idea that the international community has come up with to purify some of the South African deserts by introducing trees. By covering the deserts with forest, they believe they can erase 50 years of carbon buildup.
     
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  7. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    Before you say that, try living in a rainforest climate... ;)
     
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  8. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
    This year has been constant rain here in the Yucatan from May until about a week ago. In the five years I've lived here this is a first. Here people do not send their children to school if it's raining. This year they've *gasp* had to attend school in the rain. My girlfriend works at a school and she's said the phone calls from parents were driving her crazy. Same parents everyday... "is everything alright there? It's raining. Is my child ok?" Now it's summer vacation and the rain has stopped. Now it's just hot and humid. Yesterday was 41 and 98% humidity. I love my pool.
     
  9. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    This is what globally warmer climate change looks like (a.k.a. climate-changing global warming). :p
     
  10. Hektore

    Hektore Slightly Tilted

    ...and destroy a functioning ecosystem? Sounds like a great idea.
     
  11. MKOLLER

    MKOLLER Vertical

    Location:
    Susanville, CA
    I would like to see some documentation. From what I've heard, the deserts of the world have been expanding since the onset of industrialization, causing plenty of damage to their surrounding ecosystems. Case in point: Owens Valley, CA. Not to mention evolution/natural selection will come into play, just like it did in the onset of industrialization.
     
  12. KirStang

    KirStang Something Patriotic.

    If this balmy winter and hot summer is evidence of global warming, can I cite 2010's snowstorm of epic proportions as evidence of global cooling?

    New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism - Yahoo! News

    To quote a favorite here on TFP: "I remain as ever, unconvinced."
     
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  13. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    If you live far enough north, you'll know well enough that if it gets really cold, the volume of snow can be far less than if it were warmer. This is because temperature is just one factor affecting snow. Water vapour is another. If you get too far below zero, the volume of snow will likely be less than it would be otherwise.

    One concern of mine is the increased likelihood of damaging ice storms in my region. You'd think ice storms were the result of cold. Well...they're the result of fluctuating temperatures, it's the combining of cold and warm in the presence of high humidity. Global warming could very well be a cause of increased incidences of ice storms.

    That said, what do you make of this?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/11/science/earth/11climate.html

    Or this?

    More Mega-Snowstorms Coming -- Global Warming to Blame?

    And, especially, this?

    Climate Change Debunked? Not So Fast | Global Warming & Cloud Cover | Climate Change Skeptics | LiveScience
     
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  14. KirStang

    KirStang Something Patriotic.

    Aw hell, I guess the blizzards of 1966, 67, 69, 75, 77, 78, 79, 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 99, 00, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010 must all be global warming. We must have taken a break in the 80s, though.

    You're making conclusions on the basis of 100 years of data. On a climate system that's over 4 billion years old. I think this is more a case of confirmation bias than global warming. But if you want to believe the sky is falling, be my guest.
     
  15. Fangirl

    Fangirl Very Tilted

    Location:
    Arizona
    I didn't realize this was even still up for argument.
    Yes, the global ecosystem is changing, as it has been documented that it has done before (Ice Age) so why are some of us so dead set that it can't or isn't happening again?
    It sucks. I remember 30 years ago that members of the scientific community who were documenting global climate change predicted what is going on now to not happen for another 50 years. So it appears we are ahead of schedule. Humans do what they do. We can't agree as a country how to proceed, how the heck is the entire world going to settle on a 'plan'? I'm making changes as I gain more information to minimize my and my family's destruction of the world but I'm at a loss as to how I'm going to get everyone to get on board.

    The winter that wasn't was strange and this heat does sucketh...bleh.
     
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  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Three in the sixties.
    Five in the seventies.
    Six in the nineties.
    Eight since 2000.
    How many do you think we'll see before 2020?

    As for the eighties, perhaps you've narrowed your data set too much. Let's look at Florida, "the Sunshine State":

    1980s (3 Snow Events, 1 Major Snow Event):​
    • March 2, 1980: A quarter of an inch (6mm) of snow covers car tops and patio furniture in Jacksonville.
    • March 1, 1986: 0.5 inch (13mm) of snow accumulates overnight in Jacksonville before melting within 30 minutes due to the morning sun.
    • December 23, 1989: Light rain in Jacksonville turns to freezing rain as temperatures drop, and later changes to snow. The snow totals several inches in some locations, and results in the first white Christmas in the city's history.
    List of snow events in Florida - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Throughout the 20th century, Florida would get, on average, one or two, sometimes a few, snow events each decade. Since the beginning of the 21st century, it's had fourteen.

    Why is this happening? One cause is likely the destabilization of the polar jet stream.

    Just me? A lowly third-rate Canadian small press book editor?

    How many of those 4 billion years include industrialized human activity?

    ~250 years


    The sky is falling at an increasing rate in Florida. In the form of snow.
     
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  17. Alistair Eurotrash

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    Well, I was born in KL and lived there for a while ... oh!

    Yeah, you have a point! :)
     
  18. Hektore

    Hektore Slightly Tilted

    What is it that you would like to see documented, that deserts aren't naturally covered in trees? that planting trees until the desert is gone will destroy the desert? That deserts in fact have plant and animal life, as do coastal zones? that evolution won't bail us out on timescales that short or just because we want it to? That deliberately destroying an ecosystem is a not actually a solution to the problem of incidentally destroying ecosystems in other places?
     
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  19. Lucifer Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    The Darkside
    I honestly think the global climate change is inevitable and I honestly think that we are going to do nothing about it. The little changes now are too little, too late. The kind of radical lifestyle, economical and social changes that are needed to make a difference are simply to costly to implement.
     
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  20. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Yeah, I tend to think along these lines too. The positive spin I keep telling myself is that a lot of Canada will thaw, turning us into a land of plenty. (Way more than now anyway.) The next couple of centuries will be ours! We'll be like the next United States but without all the violence, eh?
     
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