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The Prophet Ayn Rand — Are YOU John Galt?

Discussion in 'Tilted Entertainment' started by Baraka_Guru, Jan 12, 2012.

  1. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto


    Following the movie version of the book, here is a documentary on Atlas Shrugged.

    Its premise? That everything Rand prophesied is coming true.

    What do you think? Are you going to check this out? It comes out next week.

    http://atlasshrugged-thedoc.com/
     
  2. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    I need to download it before they take The Pirate Bay away... As a moocher that is. :p
     
  3. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

    Location:
    Earth
  4. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    I don't think everything she "prophesied" has come true.
     
  5. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Is coming.... is coming...!
     
  6. Derwood

    Derwood Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    I have no desire to read a single word she's ever written
     
  7. Cayvmann

    Cayvmann Very Tilted

    I have the same desire. I earned it by trying to read some of her words, and by listening to people gush about her philosophy. Utopian dreams do not attract me.
     
  8. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    Utopian dreams are not a bad thing. Just her version of it.
     
  9. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    It's my understanding that the book portrays a dystopia created by a "big government" society, which is why this film is so ominous in its "prophetic revelations."

    It's also my understanding that Ursula Le Guin's Dispossessed stands as an alternative exploration of libertarianism, but more so in an anarchist or left-libertarian/libertarian socialist sense. The major difference is that The Dispossessed is supposed to be a far better read—one reason being that it's less idealistic in terms of the approach to the philosophy. (Another reason being that Le Guin is simply a far better writer.) This is why she called it "An Ambiguous Utopia."

    Atlas Shrugged, on the other hand, seems more like it panders to libertarian sentimentalities.

    I've been meaning to read The Dispossessed for a while now. It's buried somewhere on my reading list. I should probably read it sooner rather than later. Though, to be fair, I should also read Atlas Shrugged so that I know first-hand what the deal is. I've only read excerpts and summaries of each title. But for the love of God, I just wish Atlas Shrugged were shorter.
     
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  10. davynn

    davynn Getting Tilted

    Location:
    East coast U.S.A.
    I've wondered how Rand's Objectivist Philosophy would reply to Alain Aspect's experimental proof of non-locality.
     
  11. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    I got halfway through Atlas Shrugged. I stopped after I realized that it was just going to go on and on like that for another couple hundred pages.
     
  12. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Maybe I'll read the Cliff's Notes.
     
  13. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    I think there could be a modern day version of this. On a day like today, the economy seems silly that Facebook, a company that I have spent $0 on, is worth more than some of the biggest companies in the world... and the financial rewards that they are getting are ridiculous compared to what the average worker makes and produces.

    The problem isn't that the rich business leaders would leave like in Atlas Shrugger, but it would be the low-paid engineers and workers would leave like they said in the trailer (but isn't what Rand talked about).

    The problem in the book is that it doesn't paint a good picture of how society should work with everyone included. Moochers are people too, even though I am one of the producers in the book.
     
  14. Derwood

    Derwood Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    The main problem with most followers of Rand is that they all believe they are producers and not moochers, though reality says otherwise
     
  15. EventHorizon

    EventHorizon assuredly the cause of the angry Economy..

    Location:
    FREEDOM!
    why are "prophecies" getting so much momentum these days? there are millions of people making predictions, it's not amazing that someone's going to be right
     
  16. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    Why is Facebook such a surprise? How much value do you think there is, or has been, in Television? Does a Radio or Television channel cost you anything to watch (I am talking about Free to Air television here). They are, and always have been, platforms for advertising. Though there are some differences between what Facebook is and what Channel 9 is, their revenue streams are (largely) derived from the same place -- advertising.

    Advertising sells the products, the exchange of which is at the heart of the economy.
     
  17. ChrisJericho

    ChrisJericho Careless whisper

    Location:
    Fraggle Rock
    I read all of Atlas Shrugged and enjoyed it. While I don't believe we are necessarily getting close to a day where all the top brains of the country disappear and everything comes to a halt, I do believe that the book contains some themes that in general are coming to pass, both on a local and federal level. It appears in the preview that the documentary will delve into the housing bubble, and I assume during that segment it will go into depth about the Federal Reserve and what Ayn Rand thought about fiat currency and price controls. Additionally towards the end of the book the government begins kidnapping citizens such as John Galt, I believe this can be compared to the recently passed NDAA.

    Just as a local anecdote, here in King County our main form of public transportation is the Metro bus line. Metro has been losing quite a bit of money over the last few years following the recession. Some people say it's because the bus drivers are making too much money, others say it's because the riders aren't paying enough. Maybe it's both, maybe it's neither. But the King County Council's solution to the problem was to raise the fees on car tabs by $20. Yes, they decided to make car drivers pay more in order to bail out the bus riders. When I heard about this I smiled and thought about Atlas Shrugged.
     
  18. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    The real question is not: are there corrupt and lazy people governing our world?
    But rather: Will the creative and entrepreneurial among us decide to step away?

    As I look at the current Euro crisis, I wonder how long Germany will continue to bail out neighboring countries. I wonder if they will step away.

    I prefer some of her other works more, but my copy of Atlas Shrugged is more worn than any other book in my collection.
     
  19. So...I tried reading Atlas Shrugged once...and couldn't finish it. The writing was just so, so, terrible. It was like teenaged fanfic of the twilight series. I don't get it.
     
  20. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I think truly creative and entrepreneurial people would rather solve problems at any cost than step away. I also think that the truly creative and entrepreneurial aren't rugged individualists, but rather see themselves as society's benefactors.

    From what I've gathered of the book, it seems built on straw men caricatures and seems to have solutions brought about by cherry-picking and false dichotomies.