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Recent extreme weather events and climate change/global warming

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Baraka_Guru, Jan 29, 2013.

  1. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I hope global warming deniers still have their heads in sand, because it's getting nastier out there.

    This winter has been wacko in this part of Canada at least. It's as though we've been going through a series of trial springs. Well, at first it was like a prolonged autumn.

    Lately, it's been a cycle of cold snap and snow followed by rain. The grass is still green underneath it all. It should be brown. It's even been thunderstorming today. In January.

    I fear we may get hit with another ice storm like the one a while back.

    What has the weather been like around your parts? Is it off-kilter? Are you concerned about anything?
    Do you think it's global warming?
    Do you think it's merely natural cycles and that we have nothing to do with it?
    Do you think there is anything we can do about it?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/science/earth/extreme-weather-grows-in-frequency-and-intensity-around-world.html
     
  2. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    We had a weird inversion-type event a couple weeks ago. It was creeeepy. Basically, my part of the Willamette Valley had fog for days on end, and some days it would be freezing fog. It was so incredibly cold (for here) and depressing as all hell because it was like living in this frigid cloud. Oregon has a long history of wacky weather (see Columbus Day Storm of 1962 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia as the big bad grandaddy of all PacNW windstorms), so it's hard to say when the weather is acting strange, unless we get dramatic lightning storms (which are rare) or blizzards (also rare). We haven't gotten any warm tropical rains this winter, which is a bit strange (see Pineapple Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). Apparently, Timberline Lodge at Mt. Hood just got 3.5 feet of snow in 2 days ( - Oregon weather news, weather forecast, satellite & radar - OregonLive.com this is good since our snowpack was not where it should have been for the season. I feel like last year we had more weird weather--we had a snow day early on in the season in November, which was strange, and then one late in the season during the week before spring break in mid-March. We've yet to have one this year, and our weather make-up day is fast approaching.

    Yes, I totally think the weird weather we're seeing with more extremes is the result of global warming. Yes, I do think there is something we can do about it. Really, the little things do add up.
     
  3. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Oh that reminds me. It's been foggy recently too. In January.

    Toronto average temperatures are supposed to top off at around the freezing point this time of year. In other words, a thaw is uncommon though not impossible. We often go five to ten degrees celsius above that, which is why the grass is still green. It's really weird.
     
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  4. spindles

    spindles Very Tilted

    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    Funnily enough here, the bushfire threat has eased, but parts of the state are now in flood - yes, the weather is weird.
     
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  5. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Yeah, I saw that. Crazy! A friend of mine is in Canberra for a post-doc fellowship, and he posted a picture recently of the news showing how widespread the fires were. Hopefully the weather clears up soon. Floods suck.
     
  6. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

    Location:
    Nebraska
    A couple of weeks ago I drove to Southern California, a leisurely three day drive with my dad and great uncle. Beautiful weather, sunny and warm all the way, even in the mountains. Sunny upper seventies at Newport Beach and Anaheim. On the way back (last Saturday) we drove through absolutely torrential rains in the Southern Arizona desert. Actually had to pull over and stop a couple of times.

    Yesterday drove from Wichita to Lincoln through heavy pea-soup fog. Slow seven hours for what is normally about a four hour drive. Two hundred plus miles of dense fog. Here in Lincoln it was still somewhat foggy this morning.
    Anything more than a little transient localized fog is really rare in the central plains area.

    Who knows what the cause is, but all is not quiet on the weather front. It sure seems that the actions of the gazillions of us could have an impact. If that is indeed the case, I can only see it getting worse.

    Lindy
     
  7. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    Something strange is going on for sure. Although I wonder how bad it has to get to be obvious to the anti-environmental wing of the Republican party here. And that is the worry, if we do get a cold winter, they will just say, "ha ha, we were right". They haven't been right in 20 years though.

    If you look at the fires and the burned acres that haven't come back yet around the world, the floods, the different storm tracks because the jet stream has been shifting, the bad air quality in China and big cities, the drought, the crop damage, etc... it doesn't look good.
     
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  8. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
  9. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

    Location:
    The Windy City
    Yeah, we broke this planet.

    I'm living in Chicago, and it's barely snowed twice this winter. It was warm until almost Thanksgiving, and now it's raining and sixty degrees. In Chicago. In January.

    This is seriously fucked up. When I was a little kid in Minnesota, we used to come visit my grandparents in Chicago, and it was cold as all fuck. Icy winds used to blow all through the area, and it was snowy and icy and the whole damn megillah. It was like Minnesota, only windier. But now...this winter is just pathetic. It's depressing.

    I am seriously wondering if my son will ever have a snow day from school, ever be able to go sledding and skiing and skating, or get build a decent snow man or snow fort. I really think that those are going to be things he hears me tell stories about, but never actually experiences.

    Fucking climate change. We fucked the environment in the ass, all right. This sucks.
     
  10. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    Dubai's been having some extreme fog weather on most nights for the past 2 weeks.

    A couple days ago that night-time fog extended into the wee afternoon hours, causing some major traffic.

    Yeah, I still remember the awesome winters I experienced during my childhood in Germany. Massive amounts of snow in the winters of '97. '98 and '99.

    Blissful time for kids back then.

    Haven't had anything close to that ever since.
     
  11. Freetofly

    Freetofly Diving deep into the abyss

    It's really foggy here today, thunder storms coming in the afternoon, then snow to finish the day.

    Additional the grass is still green and should be brown.
     
  12. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    There is little doubt that extreme weather events (heat, drought, floods, blizzards, fires, etc), while perhaps not more frequent, have certainly become more severe.

    And the connections to human activity and global warming are stronger than ever. But because the well-funded deniers represent the primary cause -- fossil fuels-- their influence on public policy will continue until the outcry goes beyond the environmentalists and becomes a national or international movement much like the environmental movement of the 70s. More homes destroyed by severe floods, hurricanes, out of season tornadoes. Significantly higher food prices as a result of severe droughts....

    On the personal level, the only thing to do is lower your carbon footprint. On the policy level,the appointment of John Kerry, "Mr. Climate", as Sec of State is a positive development in the US. Beyond traditional diplomacy, H. Clinton's focus was womens rights; Kerry's will be climate change. Where Gore only found his voice after leaving office, Kerry has been outspoken for years.

    But I'm still not optimistic that we'll see any significant public policy development. The monied opposition still controls the agenda.
     
  13. paddyjoe

    paddyjoe curious

    Location:
    ROC boy gone south
    Meaning of course, big oil. Unfortunately, there is no sure-fire cure for greed....
     
  14. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect

    Location:
    At work..
    Its forecasted to be 75 here today with tornado warnings. And high of 48 tomorrow. Wtf???
     
  15. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

    Location:
    CT
    What has the weather been like around your parts? Is it off-kilter? Are you concerned about anything?
    Wacky as fuck. Twice in the past month I've been walking around without sleeves the day after a snowstorm. The fog after the snow has made for great photography weather, though.

    Do you think it's global warming?
    I have no formal education or qualification to speak authoritatively on the issue. Among people who do, let's take a look at the consensus
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    The overwhelming majority of scientific research concludes that global warming is a real phenomenon and that we are causing it. I can discuss and explain it, but the core of any argument I would make is based on the previous sentence.

    Do you think it's merely natural cycles and that we have nothing to do with it?
    This is a more complicated question than it seems. Yes, there are natural cycles that affect weather and global weather is a chaotic system, but natural cycles things like El Niño and La Niña are driven in part by global warming and long-term trends reflect the effects predicted by climate change models.

    Do you think there is anything we can do about it?
    Yes. Whether we have the will to do it is another problem. I'm optimistic because I remember being told in elementary school that at the rate the ozone layer was being depleted, by the time I was old enough to have kids it would be unsafe for them to play outside and that you would have to wear sunscreen year-round even if you were outside for short periods of time. We confronted it head-on, heavily regulated CFCs, and ozone depletion slowed to the point that the damage may be repaired within my lifetime (assuming I make it to 90 years old.)
     
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  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    The one thing I fear is that it's going to take something like drastically reduced crop yields or, worse, a catastrophic global crop failure before people wake the fuck up and get the political and social will to do something. (Or maybe even something like this: Colony collapse disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.)

    And this could happen. Too wet? Too dry? Too hot? It can fuck things up. And here we are going from winter wonderlands to foggy nights in T-shirts in a matter of hours.

    Unpredictable world-wide extreme weather events will make it more difficult to produce food.

    In the worst-case scenario, thousands if not millions could die from food shortages, whether driven by supply directly or simply by prices. And the ironic thing is that most of those susceptible to this fate are not the ones causing most of the problems. The ones who will be most spared are.

    /doomandgloom
     
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  17. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    OMG, all that editing busted your brain! Two homophone errors!
     
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  18. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    I am not nearly as optimistic.

    The CFC/ozone depletion problem was not nearly as controversial or as politically charged.

    Nor were CFCs and the related products as pervasive as fossil fuels that cut across so many sectors of the economy and has so much industry money behind it to protect its interest.

    Hell, Reagan took the lead among industrialized nations on the international Montreal Protocol to regulate CFCs. Can you imagine any of today's Republicans taking such action? Or giving their disdain for international treaties, even allowing such action to proceed in a meaningful manner?
     
  19. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Fixed! :D

    Meh, I normally catch those, but I didn't edit this post. I tend to drop double letters, it becomes is and vice-versa, etc., when I go on autopilot.

    I normally catch them, yes, but I've been editing an average of twelve hours over the past two days. Fuck editing.
     
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