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Just when I thought things couldn't be anymore backwards at work...

Discussion in 'Tilted Life and Sexuality' started by Cavi Mike, Dec 22, 2011.

  1. Cavi Mike

    Cavi Mike New Member

    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    ... I get handed this.

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    There's no way I could be reading that right so I ask "Who's Lasarah?" 'She's in assembly.' "Does she have cancer or something?" 'No, it's a gift for them(Ty and Lorraine).' I'll be damned, I was reading it right.

    Let me start of with this: Tyrone Reaves is the CEO/Owner of the shop I work at, Product Integration & Manufacturing. He's also the owner of 2 more shops(that I know of) Bar Works and Tru-Form. This is the dude with so much cash that when he needs more machines to keep up with production, he buys them outright. No loans. Machines that start around 50,000USD each. And new buildings to put them in. This is the man that signs my checks.

    Now don't get me wrong, Tyrone is a good dude, I like the man but since when did employees start giving the boss bonus checks for Christmas? Am I supposed to be thanking him for allowing me to work at his shop? Un-friggin-believable. It'll be a cold day in hell, lemme tell you. I'll take my skill-set and work for myself before I EVER do something as ridiculous as give my employer a bonus check.

    Something is becoming very wrong with America when employees think they need to reward their company for a job instead of getting rewarded for being a diligent, faithful, hard-working employee.
     
  2. aquafox

    aquafox Getting Tilted

    Location:
    Ibapah, UT
    Likely someone who's really working hard to be a suckup.
     
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  3. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    This.

    Honestly, I don't see it as a big deal. Lots of places I've worked at have taken small collections to buy the boss a gift. And if you actually like the person who signs your check (I do mine as well), you are leaps and bounds ahead of most people. So I don't think it's worth getting worked up over. If anything I'd be annoyed by the brown-noser organizing it if they were too aggressive about it.
     
  4. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    Buying the boss a gift is bullshit. The boss should be buying you gifts.
     
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  5. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    It was poorly worded, I'll give you that. Why not just come out and say "Hey, if you'd like to chip in to get a nice gift for the boss and his wife for the holiday, please see Lasarah (day shift assembly operator, section 9)."

    "Donation" definitely makes it sound as if Tyrone and Lorraine are on the skids this holiday season and could use a little financial help.

    If you can find the idiot who wrote this (no one actually signed the request) point the errant wording out to him or her then, if you've got the cash to spare and you like your boss, pull a twenty out of your wallet and contribute. It's a nice gesture and in keeping with the spirit of giving. The fact he's your boss and can buy you out 10 times over has nothing to do with with it.

    But I'd also follow up to see how much was contributed and what was purchased for the money. We tend to trust our fellow employees but no one is above scamming during the holidays.
     
  6. Bear Cub

    Bear Cub Goes down smooth.

    I've pooled money together with coworkers to buy my last boss a gift.

    Of course, he gave really nice gifts to everyone who worked for him, thanked us all for doing good work, and was an all-around great guy.
     
  7. Willravel

    Willravel Getting Tilted

    If you work in a small office, buying coworkers small gifts seems a nice gesture if you have the budget for it. Soliciting donations? That's the very definition of WTF.
     
  8. Cavi Mike

    Cavi Mike New Member

    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    I understand people pooling together for a supervisor/manager because, after all, just another person's employee. I could even understand a small business owner, like a little coffee shop or small ad agency but not the owner of a multi-million dollar corporation. I googled his name and found that Truform alone pulls over 8mil in sales annually. I think he's gonna be just fine.
     
  9. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Having $8M in sales means nothing. He could have $10M in business expenses.

    To me the tone of this sounds more like a "I resent people I perceive as wealthy, even if I think they are a nice person" rather than an issue with a gift.
     
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  10. the_jazz

    the_jazz Accused old lady puncher

    I have to agree with Borla here. I know we don't have the full story. Who's Lorraine? Is there a backstory on what Tyrone has done for the workers in the past? Are he and Lorraine getting married? Getting ready to celebrate a big anniversary?

    I exchange gifts with my employees every year. I always make sure to overspend on them. By the largest measure I'm doing about $9M in sales, and that's my worst year ever. Income is an entirely different, much smaller number.

    Really I have a much bigger problem with the note writer than I do with the gift. There's simply no context here. I can easily imagine a number of scenarios where something big from a bunch of employees might be entirely appropriate as well as The Right Thing To Do.
     
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  11. Tophat665

    Tophat665 Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    NoVA
    Nothing makes the holidays suck like mandatory charity.
     
  12. aquafox

    aquafox Getting Tilted

    Location:
    Ibapah, UT
    Do you know if this happens yearly? If you were feeling evil, you could leave your copy of that paper out where the boss will find it
     
  13. Fine line between mandatory charity and being robbed. Politeness is the difference.
     
  14. martian

    martian Server Monkey Staff Member

    Location:
    Mars
    That's a blanket statement if I ever saw one. At my office, we all chip in $10 every year to buy the boss a gift; I honestly don't know if it's mandatory, because it never occurred to me to ask. He's an awesome guy to work for and buying him a token to show our appreciation just seems like the right thing to do.

    Granted, he also buys gifts for all of his employees and their spouses every year, but I don't think one's a consequence of the other; it would be more accurate to say that they're both a consequence of him being an all-around awesome guy to work for.

    Giving him a cheque seems a bit off, but when I first read the note I understood it as a collection for a gift instead. There's a big difference there in terms of the symbolism involved; I've always thought that a gift is more about showing appreciation or affection for someone than it is about spending money.

    The note could be worded better, in other words, but there's nothing wrong with the concept. If he's a good guy and a good boss, what's wrong with throwing a few bucks in the pot to show your appreciation? I don't have a lot of experience running a business, but it always struck me as a rather thankless task. Showing a bit of appreciation for the person who puts in the effort to keep the business afloat and you in a job doesn't sound like such an atrocity to me.
     
  15. Cavi Mike

    Cavi Mike New Member

    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    Nice assumption. Maybe you should have read the first post. Here, I'll sum it up for you since you were too lazy: It's kind of hard to be able to pay for everything up front when you cut a $2mil loss every year.

    I actually think you're wealthy and you immediately assume everyone resents you for it and then you project that resentment onto others.


    No, I don't know if it happens yearly. I just started here about 3 months ago.
     
  16. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

    Location:
    Nebraska
    People who have never run a business tend to just see that money coming in and think that it all goes into the owner's pocket.
    My dad owns and manages a small town hardware store that usually grosses about $1.5mil yearly. He is fond of saying that he is truly amazed at how much money passes through his hands, and how little of it sticks.
    This post of yours makes me wish that there was a "Don't Like" button to click on. I read your opening post, including the title
    "Just when I thought things couldn't be anymore backwards at work..."
    and thought you were just full of anger and resentment, and not just at this. Do you bring the poisonous attitude to everything you touch? I don't think that I'd want you working for me, lest your attitude spread to others.

    Lindy
     
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  17. Cavi Mike

    Cavi Mike New Member

    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    And your father is the type of boss/owner that I could easily see the employees gathering up a little something for even though I'm sure he's much better off than any of his employees. Single-income household? Yeah, he's doing just fine in our current dual-income household America. Of course I don't know exactly what goes on up top but I bet I have a much better idea of it than you do of what really goes on down here. And that's perfectly fine you wouldn't employ me. I'm not a front-man for a business, I take care of the machines that keeps the wheels turning, almost literally. If you think it takes a bubbly personality to do that kind of work(and do it well), you're sorely mistaken.
     
  18. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    I read the first post. It shows incredible business naivete to think that a certain level of sales, or paying for business expenses up front, means that the owner is making some huge personal profit. Oftentimes it is merely a sign that a business owner is doing just the opposite, and investing in his (and his employees') future by pouring the profits back into the business instead of pulling them for himself. Having been someone who has worked from the shop floor up to a position of relative responsibility through a multitude of jobs in the same company over the last 15 years, I can definitely tell you that the belief, rumors, and ideas held by many without specific knowledge of the facts are often very disconnected from reality. For instance, I am in B2B sales. My sales for this year (me personally, not my entire company) are several times over what your entire business generated in revenue. Yet my salary says I'm smack dab in the middle class for the US. I'm hardly rich by any reasonable definition of the term, in reality or on paper.

    I comment about the tone of a post and your response is to mount a personal attack? I suppose the multiple people who liked my response and/or replied to it are rich and resentful as well in your opinion? I think that type of negative attitude has more to do with the way you perceived the idea of giving a gift to a, by your own admission, good boss then anything else does.
     
  19. the_jazz

    the_jazz Accused old lady puncher

    Hey Cavi Mike, it's one thing if you just want to bitch about your boss, but when you pose it as a problem and folks try to help, it kind of makes you look like a jackass when you snap at them. Next time, if you don't want help, please make that clear.

    But in case you're willing to answer questions, why don't you address these since they seem, ya know, relevant.

     
  20. Cayvmann

    Cayvmann Very Tilted

    Yep