Joe pa died.

I just sat that joe paterno died today. I hate that. Penn state will never be the same. I didn't know that he had been in the hospital since the 13th.

Here's to the legacy of Joe Pa.

I just hope people remember all the good things he stood for and all the good things he did, and I nor just the molestation stuff.

 

Honestly, I think I would have felt something a year ago. Now, though, nothing.

 

I agree a year ago would have been more feelings. But I just hope people don't just remember the bad things. He was head coach for 46(I think) years.

 

Just passing through to get some soy sauce.

 

wish his legacy hadnt been tarnished before he left... whole thing is just sad...

 

Is there any allegation at all that Joe Paterno abused anybody?

 

He lived for 85 years and enjoyed a far better life in his later years than a large majority of senior citizens. It was this privileged life he was trying to cling onto when he made the decision not to follow up on the complaints and accusations against his "friend" Sandusky.

Amazing how some people, even in the shadow of their own death, continue to hold on so tightly to the "trappings".

I have no pity or sympathy. Everyone dies. I should be so lucky to live to 85 in the comfort he enjoyed.

 

So Joe Paterno was the only person who knew about this and didnt talk? There were not other people in the organisation? For example the person who actually witnessed the event?

The impression I have from the above is that the sources I have read are wrong, and Paterno must have been the only person who didnt tell the police? That Paterno didnt tell two senior people in the organisation who apparently also did not report it?

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Personally, I reserve my scorn for the person who did the abusing. I suspect lots of people turned their backs here. Paterno may be guilty of weakness, many of us are at times. My understanding is that several people in this university certainly were here.

 

No, there were others that knew and didn't do anything. The difference is that Joe Paterno was THE most important person at the school. More important than the President or anyone else. The criticism of him comes from the fact that once he informed his higher-ups, he did nothing else. He didn't follow up. He didn't make sure that something was being done. Ultimately, if he's the de facto leader, it's his fault.

 

As I said, I couldnt disagree more.

Its the person who was abusing children's fault in my opinion.

And Paterno is no more or less guilty than any of the others who couldnt face the truth and so pretended it didnt happen. Paterno was no a witness to the incident. Why is the person who told him not in the same way responsible to chase it up, to make sure that something is done?

 

You've admitted you don't know much about the situation. Obviously that extends to the person who witnessed the abuse and reported it to Paterno. He's been equally villified, and the reason that he wasn't fired is state law (you can't fire whistleblowers). He reported it to Paterno, who reported it to his superiors. Then neither of them followed up with the folks they reported it to.

Sure Sandusky is the real villian here. I don't think anyone is arguing that at all. What we are all saying, though, is that Joe Patero, the coach known for running an absolutely clean program in terms of academics and ethical behavior, fell incredibly short when it came to something that mattered more than football.

 

Its the person who was abusing children's fault in my opinion.

--- I totally agree, Period. Joe Pa wasn't hired to be a policeman. He probably died from heartbreak on top of his cancer. When will the media let it go and let the man rest in peace? So typically American TV media. Very sad.

 

why is it one person and usually the same person manages to shit on every thread they step into?

fuck.

or am I supposed to put this in the "what's ruining the internet?" thread?

 

I think that there's more than enough fault to go around here. Anyone who covered it up gets blamed - and let's be honest, there was a cover-up at Penn State. That cover-up didn't extend to JoePa, but he set it in motion, even if unknowingly. He admitted his first concern was for the program followed by the institution. Not the kids. And those that didn't want to "embarass the institution" while more abuse went on basically made sure that Sandusky had clear room to continue.

Joe Pa did a lot of things right in his career, and he's to be commended for setting a high bar for his players. But pretending that he didn't have a duty to the kids brought on campus by his former assistant is completely dishonest.

 

What if it were you, Strange, who had been confronted with a pattern of questionable and suspicious behavior of this nature by a man you had close ties with. When you were finally presented with an eye witness account of this man caught in the act of abusing a child, what would you have done? Legally, you know the protocol but morally, wouldn't you go that step or two further to make sure the matter was addressed appropriately? If you wouldn't, what would prevent you from doing so? Remember, we're not talking about the theft of gym equipment here. This is major league stuff.

He wasn't in defiance of the law but do you truly believe he, as much if not more than anyone, didn't have a moral obligation to see the complaint through all the channels considering his position and his status within the Penn State hierarchy? In a perfect world, the lowest man on the totem pole sees something like this through to justice.

Had Joe Paterno followed through in this particular instance or even on prior instances he was aware of, Sandusky might not have gotten to at least a few of the victims he did.

Sandusky is without a doubt, the person most responsible. To say he is a "sick" man is an understatement. And though legally, Joe Paterno and others may not have been obligated to do more than they did, the fact that they were of sound mind (in comparison to Sandusky) makes them almost more.......well wrong, in my opinion.

Children were harmed and abused.

On one hand we have a man with a overwhelming clinical compulsion to abuse young children.

On the other, we have those driven by nothing more than a desire to protect a collegiate reputation, as well as their own status within it, at any cost. Even at the cost of allowing a sick man to continue sexually abusing children.

Which is more wrong?

 

The paternal American Football Coach seems to me to be one of the Great American Stereotypes. Myths build up around them and people love the myth. The coaches themselves seem to love the myth and may even believe it.

Sometimes, as in this case, the myth is destroyed and reality hurts.

It's something of a Greek tragedy.

I guess we'll discover more during the trial. I suspect there is more to know.