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Hand Gun Questions

Discussion in 'Tilted Weaponry' started by genuinemommy, Feb 19, 2013.

  1. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    I know nothing about hand guns.

    I have just been informed by my husband that his father will be giving him a Sig 40 hand gun to protect our growing family.

    A few questions:
    What type of ammo does the Sig 40 require?
    What type of safe do you recommend?
    What other safety precautions do you recommend taking when having a gun in the same home as an infant?
    I have never shot a hand gun, only rifles. What should I expect to be different?
     
  2. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

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    This totally feels like a trap.

    "Sig 40" likely means a Sig Sauer pistol in .40 S&W caliber.

    Sig Sauer is a major manufacturer that offers a variety of automatic pistols models in .40 S&W (Smith & Wesson) caliber.

    .40 S&W is a popular law enforcement pistol round and has successfully found a niche between the universal 9mm (fast and light) and the popular American .45 ACP (slow and heavy).

    It is likely that your husband will be given something like a Sig Sauer P226 in .40 S&W. It is a full size service pistol popular with many police departments. It does not feature a manual safety device.

    As far as a safe, if you're only interested in a single handgun for self defense, a steel lunchbox-sized safe chained to your bed frame or other heavy furniture and secured with a quick combination and key lockout is a good choice to prevent little hands from gaining access. A handgun for self defense is useless if you can't get to it quickly under stress. Another must-have item in the mini safe would be a flashlight of some sort--handheld or weapon-mounted--as the handgun is also useless if you cannot identify potential intruders as a threat. Proper ammunition selection is important but not something of primary concern in this case. Priorities: Get the handgun and flashlight from the safe, barricade yourself and hit up that Dial-a-Prayer of 911.

    Gun safety with kids requires two things: security and education. The handgun and related items must be properly secured so as to prevent children and dumbass adults from handling them without authorization. Education removes the magic from the handgun and instructs the child to follow the Eddie Eagle mantra of: "Stop, don't touch, leave the area, find an adult." You've likely got a decade before you need to worry about getting little Betsy her own .22 and the related safety training classes.

    The primary handling difference between rifles and handguns is that rifles are generally more forgiving of user errors due to the additional points of contact with your body: three points of contact are more stable than one. You frame up a rifle by placing your firing hand on the grip, your non-firing hand on the forearm and the buttstock of the rifle into your shoulder pocket. A typical handgun does not have a shoulder stock and requires that both hands be touching as a part of a firing grip due to its small size. As such, you'll notice that jerking the trigger, sporting a loose grip or general poor posture will send your rounds all over the target. A rifle also has a much longer sight radius (distance between the front blade and rear aperture) with finer sight components and thus is easier to aim, whereas most handguns feature a short sight radius and large front blades and rear notches and thus more difficult to aim. That said, nearly anyone can become adept at 50 feet with a pistol if they put in the time.

    As far as beginning handling tips: hold the handgun firmly with both hands as high as possible on the grip with both of your thumbs both pointing forward along the top of the non-palm side ("like two dogs humping"), rotate up and lock out your elbows so that you pinch the highest portion of the grip with the inside of your palm below the index fingers (the "knife edge" of your hand; this creatures a rigid frame for the gun to operate on). Place your finger pad on the trigger and squeeze slowly and deliberately until the weapon fires (do not force the gun to fire), holding your finger down on the trigger as the action cycles so as to avoid disrupting your shot (this is called "follow through" and is basically the same idea behind doing a 3 point shot with a basketball). Release the trigger slowly and stop when you feel the click of the trigger reset and then begin the assessing-aiming-firing process once again. Recoil may seem stout at first but you will grow accustomed to it quickly when practicing.

    Example of Proper Grip - Left Side
    Example of Proper Grip - Right Side

    I would highly recommend you both receive formal self-defense scenario training from a credible instructor or institution. For as little as $200 a person you'll receive a huge boost to your handgun proficiency and thus confidence.

    Hope that helps.
     
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  3. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Some of the answers to your questions need to be answered with more questions.

    Are you getting a safe for this gun only, or will you want it to hold any other current or future guns?

    What level of "protection" are you wanting? I know some people who keep every gun unloaded and stored all the time. Others have a small safe in a large nightstand drawer or under the bed with thumbprint or digital pad opening for quick access, inside they have their weapon of choice loaded. I know some who brag about having guns stashed/hidden all over their house loaded and ready to rock. Throwing all the arguments aside for now as to which is "right" for keeping you safe, which scenario (or between which scenarios) do you think you want to be? That will greatly impact what safe is right for you, and where you place it.

    Safety changes with your child's age and who you let in your home unsupervised. As your child grows older, I think a key portion of "safety" is education. A responsible parent teaches their child about sex according to their age and what they can be exposed to, right? It starts with naming body parts and telling them where people aren't allowed to touch them, and it eventually gets to specific talks about sex, protection, disease, etc. You do this because you want them to be safe. Safe from abuse, disease, unplanned/unwanted pregnancy, and so on. You do the same thing in the kitchen with the stove/oven. When they are a baby it is a simple "hot, don't touch!" As they get older you let them do simple tasks under supervision, and you teach them to always make sure burners are off, flammables aren't on the burners, etc. Eventually they can cook on their own safely. You teach them according to their age and reasoning ability. IMO the same should be true in a house with children where the adults decide to have guns. It might start out that they don't have permission to touch it at all, and it is locked up where they can't access it. As they get older, you might take them to the range and teach them proper gun safety and how to shoot, but still leave the gun locked up where they can't access it. Eventually, they may reach the age where they are given access. To me, just as with sex or simple cooking skills, ignorance does not equal safety. As to the "who you let in your home unsupervised part", you do have to think about your kids' friends, your friends' kids, and so on when you think about storage and safety in your home.

    As to the difference, get some practice. Then get some more. Then get some more.
     
  4. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

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  5. ChrisJericho

    ChrisJericho Careless whisper

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    Where's the pics????

    Is it a sweet Made in Germany model?
     
  6. RebelRooster

    RebelRooster New Member

    Handguns are basically purchased for self defense. They're generally small, easily employed in tight quarters and have manageable recoil. There are exceptions, large, high powered pieces that are intended for hunting or long range shooting.

    The Sig is a quality handgun and the .40 S&W is a very popular self defense round. It doesn't have a lot of recoil and only a moderate muzzle blast. The full size p226 will hold up to 12 rounds of ammunition in the magazine and one in the chamber. It's easy to learn to shoot and has extreme reliability.

    While I understand your concern about safe storage, you must keep in mind that this is a defensive weapon and that it's usefulness is considerably lessened by storing it in a locked safe or container. Under stress you may not be able to access the weapon in time to use it for your defense. I would consider securing a holster behind the headboard of your bed, keep it in a nightstand drawer that's equipped with a child resistant latch. Many weapons have been kept between the mattress and box springs quite successfully.

    If your state allows I'd suggest you acquire a Concealed Carry Permit. All threats are not at home. You should be able to keep your gun with you if you choose or feel threatened. Without a permit you may encounter legal issues if you have it with you. Consider taking a basic pistol course from a local instructor he can teach you the necessary skills for safe and effective use of the weapon. This advise applies to your husband as well if he's not been trained.

    I admire your father-in-law for his decision to provide you and your family with a means of self defense. He's a very wise and thoughtful individual.
     
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  7. PatG New Member

    Pretty much as above.
    Storage and deployment have multiple variables , both as relates to the humans present , and the overall security posture of your residence ( location, doors & windows , alarms , dogs , etc - all relating to how much advance warning of a critical situation you would have).

    Since you mentioned not having handgun experience, and you didn't mention spouses experience with shooting And instructing handguns , you first step is instruction from an NRA certified instructor. At the basic level this will get you to load, unload, and go bang when you wish w/o shooting self accidently. To become reasonably competent will require instruction from someone conversent in defensive shooting for several hundred additional rounds, and practicing a cpl times a year to maintain familarity.