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Does it make me racist if...?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by genuinemommy, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    Here's a thread where we discuss race.
    First impressions.
    Observations when people watching.
    Acknowledged preconceptions.
    Or just to ask others about something specifically or loosely racial.

    -__-
    This story has been going around recently.
    Girl, 2, defends her choice of doll to cashier - CNN.com

    Does questioning the girl about wanting another doll make the cashier racist?

    Does the fact that the girl doesn't notice the race make a difference?

    Do you find this story inspiring in any way?

    -___-
    Here is another story that has been making the rounds.
    A little boy wanted a hair cut like his best friend, so his teacher won't be able to tell them apart.
    White boy asks for same haircut as black friend 'to confuse his pre-school teacher'
    [​IMG]

    How does this story make you feel? Does it seem cute to you?

    When this news story broke, a friend (white, middle class, woman) went on a long rant about how the white boy's parents are negligent in not introducing their son to the concept of race. She felt that a child this age should already be aware of the inequalities that his best friend is likely to face in his lifetime. She urged her white friends to introduce their children to the concept of white privilege.

    In all honesty, my friend's words fell on deaf ears with me. I would have a difficult time having that conversation with my daughters, and won't specifically address the issue of race inequality with them until they are at least 10... I just make sure they have a group of diverse friends to play with.

    --__--

    And now an example from my own life...

    Does it make me racist or just biased to assume we're going to be friends with our new neighbor because he's Filipino?

    I just met him today, he just closed on the house.

    He looks and speaks so much like one of our best friends from undergrad! Geeky grin, California accent and all! I am just so excited!
     
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2017
  2. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    To answer that question I guess I'd have a question.

    What does the Fillipino part have to do with your impression?

    What would be different if he were of some other descent?
     
  3. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    I think it has more to do with his resemblance to a good friend.
     
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  4. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Then it's probably fair to say that race is only a secondary/minor factor imo.

    I really like where I think you intend this conversation to go. But I don't think the specific example given has a ton to do with race. If he resembled a different friend, of a totally different ethnicity, you might feel the same feeling.

    But I do think it is interesting to think about where stereotypes and racial bias (both positive and negative) begin and end in our immediate impressions of people. It's just a conversation most people aren't willing to have without over reacting in one direction or the other.
     
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  5. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    @Borla, thanks for pointing out that this wasn't a strong intro. I went ahead and added a couple of race-related stories from the relatively recent news.
     
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  6. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Will comment more later when I'm not limited to phone access, but I absolutely loved the haircut story you posted. It was all over Reddit when it came out, and I thought it was hilarious and adorable.
     
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  7. MeltedMetalGlob

    MeltedMetalGlob Resident Loser Donor

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    Who cares, really?
    Does it make me racist if I admit this is hilarious?
    [​IMG]

    This might be a Photoshop job, but I ran across it under an article regarding "accidental racism" and haven't stopped giggling uncontrollably.
     
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  8. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    Here's the thing, everyone is racist.

    As humans, we catagorize and sort things. Race, skin colour, presumed economic status, etc. When we meet new people, we bring our preconceived opinions to that meeting. It's inevitable.

    What isn't inevitable, is what you do that knowledge. How do you work against your assumptions?
     
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  9. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    Location:
    North

    One of the best ways I've ever heard describing fighting your assumptions was by a counselor at DVR.
    She was born and raised in Texas in the early 60's, to a family with what you might call 'traditional' values.
    After coming back from a family reunion where she was the only person in a room of fifty people who didn't vote for Trump and who firmly believe that people of color are nothing but trouble, I asked how she had escaped that.
    Education and constant vigilance, she said
    She had gone to college outside of the usual environs which gave her a chance to meet a wide variety of people and after a while she realized that she needed to reevaluate what she had been thinking.
    It wasn't until she went went back to Texas to work that she realized how much harder it would be.
    When you grow up a certain way, you tend to fall back on what is easy, what is expected, and that can often be bigotry.
    She found herself having to constantly stop herself from going the lazy route.
    When she got older it didn't get easier it actually got more complicated because she had more assumptions to carry around.

    I hope that I will have half the introspection and ability to check myself when I am her age.
     
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  10. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    This is everything.
     
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  11. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    That's a good description of my background.

    I was fortunate in several ways:
    My father didn't have a racist bone in his body.
    My mother's bigotry was based on ignorance rather than hatred.
    I started public school the same year that HISD was integrated.
    I lived, still do, in a very large city.

    TBF, the above mentioned experience could happen in any city in any state. It is my understanding that Boston has been, and still is, one of the most racially divided cities in the US.
     
  12. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    I admit I'm as racist as a normal person is. What does that mean?

    Statistics bear out what it means.
     
  13. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Relevant:

    O's Jones faced racist taunts; Sox apologize

    Boston was a good example IMO. Incredible number of colleges and universities, largely liberal, pretty cosmopolitan city. But it is one of the least integrated cities I've ever been to.
     
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  14. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    That's why I chose Boston. Again TBF you can find areas in many large cities where races relations never advanced past say 1960.

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    We tend to be attracted to people most like ourselves. I don't think that's racist, more like human nature.