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Columbia 10 years later

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by supersix2, Feb 1, 2013.

  1. supersix2

    supersix2 New Member

    Location:
    Houston
    I haven't posted on here in a while but I kind of want to get back into it and I thought this might start an interesting discussion.

    Ten years ago on February 1st 2003 I was a senior in high school and I woke up that Saturday morning to some crazy news...the Space Shuttle Columbia disintegrated on re-entry. I remember being glued to the TV waiting for more information on why this happened and what this would mean for the future of the space program. At this point in my life I was accepted to college to study aerospace engineering and I knew I wanted to work in some aspect of the space program. I couldn't help but think that perhaps my chances of working in the space program disintegrated along with it.

    I remember going to school that Monday getting a lot of questions from friends about it, I didn't know too much about the Space Shuttle at that point but because my friends knew what I wanted to study they considered me some sort of expert on such matters.

    Flash forward to college, I remembered when the Columbia Accident Investigation Report came out citing the foam strike on the wing as the cause, I remember being excited when Pres. Bush announced the Constellation program to take us back to the moon and to design a new spacecraft that will take us there, and be much safer than the Space Shuttle. I remember watching a Shuttle night launch from my campus in the winter of 2006. At that point I was applying to jobs to work on the design of the new Orion capsule.

    Come spring of 2007 I graduated with my BSAE, still looking for a job. I found an interesting position at the Johnson Space Center that was looking for people to work in the mission control center and train astronauts for either the International Space Station (ISS) or the Space Shuttle so I figured what the hell, I'll apply for it and see what happens. I always thought myself a design person, never really even considered working at mission control. My only exposure to mission control at that point was the movie Apollo 13.

    The next few weeks of that summer were pretty interesting for me, 1) I got a chance to drive down to Kennedy Space Center and watch a Shuttle launch up close since a friend of mine was working there and go some passes and 2)The next day after watching the Shuttle launch I got a call about an interview for that mission control job. 3)I got to fly down to Houston for the interview and take a tour of the control center about a week after that Shuttle mission ended.

    Well long story short, I got the job and started out working as a Space Shuttle flight controller in the summer of 2007. I still can't believe I had the incredible opportunity to work in the Shuttle Mission Control center, oversee the completion of the ISS, and take part in the Space Shuttle program at the end of its run. Along the way I got to learn a lot more about the Columbia accident, I even had to read the accident report for part of my training.

    This year I've really been reflecting on the journey I've had since that day 10 years ago, I think about the crew who's lives were lost that day, and I think about how close it all came to being over for our space program and how much of a shame it would have been to lose it all and that crew's sacrifice to have been for nothing.

    Since the retirement of the Space Shuttle, I was fortunate enough to transfer over and become a controller for the International Space Station. For those of us that work at NASA, especially in the human spaceflight area, this last week of January and first week of February is a somber time for us. All three fatal human space flight accidents occurred during this time of the year. Columbia is the one that had an impact on me since I was actually aware of what was going on when it happened.

    For anyone else out there, do you remember where you were during these tragic events, what thoughts you might have had, and if they had any impact on you? What are your thoughts on the current state of the US Space Program?
     
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  2. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    supersix2 , what a great story. I do remember the morning of the Columbia disaster. I was in a Best Buy picking up something and the images of the debris spraying across the sky was being played on a wall of TVs.

    I remember thinking, Not again. I vividly remember the Challenger crash and had hoped it wouldn't happen again.

    I am not sure how I feel about today's space agency other than I wish there was more funding available. I am heartened by the private money being put into space flight but also concerned at what privatization of space could mean for those who can't afford to take part.
     
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  3. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect

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    supersix2 i remember that. I remember hearing about it on the radio and going to the computer to see live streaming video.

    I don't really know much about the space program now, other than im not sure we dont have one anymore. Dont really know why...
     
  4. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    For some reason, I remember the Challenger disaster more vividly. I was 9, and I recall coming home to the news on the television. It may be the point in my life when I realized that stuff like that can happen in real life and not just in movies.

    I cannot recall how I first learned about Columbia. I was in university at the time, so I was likely rather preoccupied with a lot of things. I know I didn't really dwell on it or read/watch a lot about it. I was quite disengaged from the news and current events at the time. I was nose-deep in Shakespeare and Chaucer while trying to get my Henry James reading done.
     
  5. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    I was in university too. That was the Winter of Elizabethan Lit. I was asleep when my mom called and woke me up, as it was still relatively early in the morning here in Oregon. She told me about it. I remember being stunned and getting out of bed. I stumbled over to the computer and looked it up online.

    I've always had an interest in space and in the space shuttle program. It grew up alongside me, you know? Sally Ride was my hero as a young kid. So long as a launch was on television, we watched it. I built model rockets, owned a telescope, and stayed up all night to watch meteor showers and other phenomena. I'm looking forward to sharing that love with my future children, as it is something my husband and I share.

    I'd love to see NASA get more funding and take on bigger projects. We need to take risks to keep moving forward, but those risks need to be calculated risks. The space program has shown us time and again what happens when we take risks without considering all of the issues and problems: see Apollo 1 and Challenger.
     
  6. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

    Location:
    CT
    I was in my Saturday history class (being the slacker I am, the weekday classes were all full by the time I signed up.) I missed a few calls during the first half of class and called home to see what was so important on a Saturday morning that my mom was calling when I was in class. She told me that the Shuttle broke up on reentry, and the video didn't look like anyone could have survived. I checked the news and it was typical post-disaster stuff, nobody really knew what had happened and they were all wildly speculating. Turns out it was once again something that should have been preventable but wasn't because the procedures weren't in place to properly evaluate and report risks.

    We still haven't learned a damn thing and if SLS goes ahead and runs for decades like the Shuttle program did, it's going to happen again.
     
  7. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

    Location:
    Struthers,Ohio
    OMG, has it been 10 years......and now we (NASA) has to ask the Russians to take us to the international space station.....look how far we have fallen ! ! ! ( I hope what I typed is not too far off topic ?).
     
  8. supersix2

    supersix2 New Member

    Location:
    Houston
    I've read a lot about the Challenger disaster as well. I've been to a few lectures where both Challenger and Columbia are analyzed. The thing that strikes me about both is that they were caused by the same mentality. We are always very reactive to problems. It is unfortunate that the because of political haggling and decades of budget problems has really crippled NASA to the core. Even with Space Station, we try to be proactive in dealing with potential future threats, design weaknesses, and so forth but we are always having to choose which ones to address now because of the money available.

    The Space Station is pretty amazing, it took over 20 years to design, build, and assemble. Some may remember when Pres. Reagan first layed out the direction of NASA to build a Space Station in the mid 1980's. This was Space Station Freedom, the design of which is almost identical to the ISS now (minus the Russian modules). Then in the early 1990s the Space Station program was almost cancelled (saved by 1 vote in Congress) but sadly it was a Congress that had to choose between a Space Station or a Super Collider. Then the Space Station Freedom became the International Space Station when we decided to buy down risk and work with the Russians. The Russians had technology that we had to still develop (a return vehicle for the crew that could stay in space for moths at a time, the Soyuz; an unmanned resupply vehicle that could dock automatically with the station, the Progress; and a guidance an propulsion module, the Russian Service Module). All of this would have been way too much money for Congress to swallow and would have extended out the development and construction of the Space Station for many more years. NASA knew it had to get something up there and fast else it would be cancelled and by adding in foreign partners it would make it more politcally difficult to kill in a later budget cycle.

    We are playing the same games again with Orion and SLS. Orion crew capsule is being built here by Lockheed Martin, but we've recently contracted the service module to the European Space Agency. We are still shopping around for a launch vehicle for it.

    It's crazy to me that a bunch of lawyers in Washington are essentially responsible for designing our new spacecraft!
     
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  9. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

    Location:
    CT
    The worst part, in my mind, is the Shuttle-derived bullshit that plagues SLS. We have superior technology that exists or is well into development, but it doesn't bring as much money to as many districts. The Atlas V and Falcon 9 could easily be rated for human flight within a couple of years. Delta IV Heavy has launched, and all it would take is a couple of demo missions for Atlas V HLV and Falcon 9 Heavy to prove their reliability. Instead, we have the promise of an SLS lifter that might fly in five years if everything goes according to schedule and starts its flight with a 45-60 second window in which an abort will result of loss of crew and vehicle thanks to the use of solid rocket boosters that ensure the support of Utah's congressmen and senators for SLS.

    edit: was going through old posts and saw this, I was thinking of Ares, not SLS
     
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  10. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    Hm. I've been thinking about this one a lot recently. You'd think that I would remember exactly where I was and what I was doing during the accident. But I don't. I don't have a gut-wrenching memory associated with the tragedy (like I do for 9/11). I know I was working on my bachelor's degree, I recall seeing the news story on a big-screen TV somewhere on campus, hearing about it after the fact, later that day... and wondering what in the world it was going to mean for the space program. I had no idea that it would make such a huge impact. I thought that maybe the next flight would be delayed one or two months, or maybe there would be some sort of improvement or overhaul of safety procedures. But... I really had no clue that it would almost destroy America's interest in human spaceflight and shift the general trend toward unmanned missions. No idea that it would slow research down so drastically, that it would mean a cut to many student research positions (~3,000 students in 2003 involved in space life and physical science research at universities nationwide, down to less than 100 almost immediately). I had no idea.

    It was honestly quite fortuitous that I took my time to finish my bachelor's degree - that I was left in a spiral of confusion about what to study and where... When I was ready to look into PhD programs in 2008 things were enough improved that I was recruited for a lab that would look at systems related to bioregenerative life support. I count myself exceptionally lucky for this. I have done quite a bit of "educating" on capitol hill about STEM education at the university level - informing them about the interest generated by space research. It feels like a never-ending battle and I doubt we will ever have as many students involved in basic space life science research as we did at its peak. With the private space sector picking up, it gives many of us hope...

    Side note: supersix2 I wonder if you were the flight controller for STS-131... I had some precious cargo on that mission which made it home safely... the basis for my PhD research.
     
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  11. supersix2

    supersix2 New Member

    Location:
    Houston
    MSD:

    I totally agreed, I've heard SLS referred to as "Senate Launch System." Shuttle proved that SRBs are not really a good design solution to resuability, safety, and affordability. Politics is the only reason why they are still being used. One thing that I've heard tossed around is how much it takes to "man rate" a rocket like Delta or Atlas. Essentially you have to be at least 1 fault tolerant from having a catastrophic failure leading to loss of crew and vehicle, among other things. I know nothing about those rockets so I can't say exactly what it would take to rate one of the existing rockets but I highly doubt its more expensive than building one from scratch.

    genuinegirly:

    You work on advanced life support and life sciences? Thats awesome. My systems background for Space Shuttle and Space Station is life support systems! That's also great that you've been to Congress talking about STEM. One thing they need to realize is that we need make sure we have rewarding and valuable jobs in STEM fields. I know many people who have left NASA to pursue business or law degrees because of how crappy the aerospace industry has become recently. The only sector that really doesn't get touched is defense programs...but many of us didn't really go to school to make bombs and missiles. It's sad how many good people I've seen had to go to other industries because of a lack of national leadership when it comes to space exploration. I really hope the private sector picks up, but they will most likely be confined to low earth orbit for the forseeable future and with NASA having no real long term goal for exploration beyond earth orbit I am really fearful we've see the best days of the US space program pass us by.

    I was one of the flight controllers for STS-131, I worked about 10 or so days of that mission monitoring the life support systems. I remember we had some mice on that flight and I think some vaccine research and tissue research payloads. Were you involved in any of those?
     
  12. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    supersix2, I went ahead and sent you a private message with a few of the details on my project =) What I'll say here, though, is that I work with plants.

    Hey, I'll take low earth orbit! Even parabolic flight gives us more time to run our experiments than drop towers. It's really difficult to design biological experiments for drop towers - the sensor technology for monitoring cell-to-cell signaling quickly enough for even NASA's tallest drop towers is still in its infancy. There's a group of engineers at Purdue working on it, especially since drop towers are a great way to prepare for more expensive parabolic flights...
    Sure, ideally we'd love to run months-long seed-to-seed crop studies on a space station (or moon base!), but we're just not there yet. And there are a LOT of fundamental biology and material science questions we still need to answer in order to make something like a moon base relatively safe for long-term human habitation.

    The biggest hurdle I see private spaceflight needing to overcome is excessive regulation. Getting flight hardware approved to run our biology was a HUGE issue with the Shuttle and ISS. For one flight, we'd have a certain data logger model approved, then all of a sudden for the next flight we'd have to find something new and adapt our equipment because they suddenly decided that battery was no longer approved for spaceflight - and sometimes monkey wrenches like that came down to politics - government contracts with specific companies expiring, etc. If the private space sector has to deal with any of that senseless red tape (so far it looks pretty minimal) it will really slow down progress.
     
  13. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

    Location:
    CT
    For experimentation like yours, I can see a bunch of universities around the world teaming up with corporate partners and either renting or buying outright a module from Bigelow in the next few years. Rental looks like it will be in the $45-50M range per year, but once SpaceX starts putting them up in 2015, I can see the cost dropping by a third to half. Give it fifteen or twenty years and SpaceX will probably have their reusable Falcon 9 running, which could drop the cost of unmanned experiments to the point that a handful of universities could chip in for one and put a bunch of cargo racks in orbit for 6 months to a year.