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cyrnel · 02-25-2006, 05:45 AM

This is from an Iraq story. The caption was something to the effect of "Security forces stand guard..."

I looked at the weapon and thought it must be support stuff and the guy is on his way somewhere. Surely he couldn't be firing the thing from his hip. Then I caught the guy back left with what appears to be the same weapon. The ammo box looks huge. Barrel looks narrow but extended, with a launch tube or flashlight beneath?

What are these things?

longbough · 02-25-2006, 05:56 AM

It looks like the FN M249 SAW.

http://www.world.guns.ru/machine/mg17-e.htm

Gitmo · 02-26-2006, 11:23 AM

looks to me more like the Kalashnikov PK
http://www.world.guns.ru/machine/mg07-e.htm

cyrnel · 02-26-2006, 11:32 AM

The stock looks like the M249 SAW but the rest looks like the PK. That "flashlight" seems to be a bipod. (I'd wondered why it looked "bent.") Mean looking thing, either way. Guess they're similar in heft to a Browning but I wouldn't have the constitution to haul either around for long. (7.1Kg & 9Kg respectively)

Slims · 02-26-2006, 03:01 PM

That's definately not a SAW, nor an M240 or an M60, so it has to be foreign. I think Gitmo nailed it.

SirLance · 02-26-2006, 03:16 PM

I was wondering where I left that....

It's not the SAW. It's the Kalishnikov.

The_Dunedan · 02-26-2006, 04:39 PM

Definitely a PK-class Squad Support weapon. Russian design and ( mostly ) manufacture, chambered in 7.62x54R, which is ballistically identical to our 30-06. A truly nasty piece of work, if somewhat heavier than its' NATO counterparts due to the more powerful round.

ziadel · 02-26-2006, 05:15 PM

yeah, its a PK

debaser · 03-07-2006, 11:37 AM

Not to be too much of a nerd, but the original photo is a PKM (Pulemyot Kalashnikova Modernizirovanniy). Note the lighter, unfluted barrel behind the gas block. For some reason the Iraqis insist on calling them PKCs though. Maybe Arabic for "modernized" translates with a "C" sound?

Just as a note: it fires extremely well from the hip. I would prefer one to an M240B any day.

02-25-2006, 05:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	What is this weapon? - Iraq This is from an Iraq story. The caption was something to the effect of "Security forces stand guard..." I looked at the weapon and thought it must be support stuff and the guy is on his way somewhere. Surely he couldn't be firing the thing from his hip. Then I caught the guy back left with what appears to be the same weapon. The ammo box looks huge. Barrel looks narrow but extended, with a launch tube or flashlight beneath? What are these things? __________________ There are a vast number of people who are uninformed and heavily propagandized, but fundamentally decent. The propaganda that inundates them is effective when unchallenged, but much of it goes only skin deep. If they can be brought to raise questions and apply their decent instincts and basic intelligence, many people quickly escape the confines of the doctrinal system and are willing to do something to help others who are really suffering and oppressed." -Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media, p. 195

02-26-2006, 11:32 AM	#4 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	The stock looks like the M249 SAW but the rest looks like the PK. That "flashlight" seems to be a bipod. (I'd wondered why it looked "bent.") Mean looking thing, either way. Guess they're similar in heft to a Browning but I wouldn't have the constitution to haul either around for long. (7.1Kg & 9Kg respectively) __________________ There are a vast number of people who are uninformed and heavily propagandized, but fundamentally decent. The propaganda that inundates them is effective when unchallenged, but much of it goes only skin deep. If they can be brought to raise questions and apply their decent instincts and basic intelligence, many people quickly escape the confines of the doctrinal system and are willing to do something to help others who are really suffering and oppressed." -Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media, p. 195 Last edited by cyrnel; 02-26-2006 at 11:39 AM..

02-26-2006, 03:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	That's definately not a SAW, nor an M240 or an M60, so it has to be foreign. I think Gitmo nailed it. __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

02-26-2006, 03:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
SirLance Junkie Location: In the middle of the desert.	I was wondering where I left that.... It's not the SAW. It's the Kalishnikov. __________________ DEMOCRACY is where your vote counts, FEUDALISM is where your count votes.

02-26-2006, 05:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
ziadel Myrmidon Location: In the twilight and mist.	yeah, its a PK __________________ Ron Paul '08 Vote for Freedom Go ahead and google Dr. Ron Paul. You'll like what you read.

02-25-2006, 05:56 AM	#2 (permalink)
longbough Soylent Green is people. Location: Northern California	It looks like the FN M249 SAW. http://www.world.guns.ru/machine/mg17-e.htm

02-26-2006, 11:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
Gitmo Upright Location: SLC	looks to me more like the Kalashnikov PK http://www.world.guns.ru/machine/mg07-e.htm

02-26-2006, 04:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
The_Dunedan Junkie	Definitely a PK-class Squad Support weapon. Russian design and ( mostly ) manufacture, chambered in 7.62x54R, which is ballistically identical to our 30-06. A truly nasty piece of work, if somewhat heavier than its' NATO counterparts due to the more powerful round.

03-07-2006, 11:37 AM	#9 (permalink)
debaser Sir, I have a plan... Location: 38S NC20943324	Not to be too much of a nerd, but the original photo is a PKM (Pulemyot Kalashnikova Modernizirovanniy). Note the lighter, unfluted barrel behind the gas block. For some reason the Iraqis insist on calling them PKCs though. Maybe Arabic for "modernized" translates with a "C" sound? Just as a note: it fires extremely well from the hip. I would prefer one to an M240B any day. __________________ Fortunato became immured to the sound of the trowel after a while. Last edited by debaser; 03-07-2006 at 11:42 AM..